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Originally posted by

KSU Grad

Honestly, could Kent State and the AAUP be able to negotiate a better liberal deal like this in the private sector (Real World). I don't think so!

When'd you graduate, sweatpea? Just so's we can get an idea as to what you know about the "real world", eh? Um...fyi? Many private businesses such as Dominion East Ohio have already recognized the PROPRIETY AND FAIRNESS of offering their employees "domestic partener benefits.

IMHO, only some Victorian prude would deign describe such a policy as "liberal", eh?

Originally posted by

KSU Grad

Honestly, could Kent State and the AAUP be able to negotiate a better liberal deal like this in the private sector (Real World). I don't think so!

Dear Robin, when I graduated we still needed to pass our English courses and were required to be able to write coherently in other courses. Apparently they lowered the standards or waived you on when you attended KSU; that is if you did, and if so, I think I will stop making Alumni donations as they apparently are not going to the right people.

Originally posted by

KSU Grad

Honestly, could Kent State and the AAUP be able to negotiate a better liberal deal like this in the private sector (Real World). I don't think so!

What exactly does this mean? The numbers in the article are all proposed figures for negotiations that are to take place. Therefore one would assume that they are the desired outcomes of the AAUP but unlikely the final figures.

The private sector does has unions so I fail to see what is so un-real world about this round of negotiations or for that matter what is so liberal. My assumption is that you carelessly apply liberal to anything that relates to KSU based on some notions about political activism on campus 40 years ago. If you looked carefully at the KSU administration you would find that it runs similarly to any business and is in no way pro union.

Originally posted by

KSU Grad

Honestly, could Kent State and the AAUP be able to negotiate a better liberal deal like this in the private sector (Real World). I don't think so!

Aw...don't take it so hard, budger. Challenging the messenger is just a debate tactic but you really should also try to answer one or two of the points of order/debate, eh?

The most recent Administrations of KSU(Doc Cartwright's & Doc Lefton's) have both held concepts of social equity hostage to contract negotiations whether it was an issue such as "fair share" for bargaining unit members or "domestic partner" benefits for all employees...hardly a "liberal" philosophy.

Everyone's favorite, Doc Creamer, until recently, had made a philosophical/financial decision that it was better to reserve the use of "an uncommitted fund of monies in excess of $300 million dollars" to cover any potential shortfalls in endowment fund investments as opposed to using it for either the preventive maintenance of the University's building stock or helping reduce the tuition of the Universtiy's students. Yet again...hardly a "liberal" philosophy, eh?

Originally posted by

KSU Grad

Honestly, could Kent State and the AAUP be able to negotiate a better liberal deal like this in the private sector (Real World). I don't think so!

Local 153, In the private sector unions are shrinking in membership and power. KSU can not operate without the unions who in my opinion control the school and policies. This is different from the private sector that can operate freely without the contraints and burden of the labor unions. Unless of course your mindset is that of the early 1900's laborer.

What makes this article so relevent with regard to stating my opinions is that because KSU is a State Run Public University, and much like the rest of our public education system, it that it still requires the support of the unions to operate. And Yes I do consider KSU like most universities to be a Liberal School run that is administered using Liberal Ideologies. What is good for the unions is good for the administrators and that would make them pro-union; unlike the private sector that for most businesses, see the union as a necessary evil.

Originally posted by

KSU Grad

Honestly, could Kent State and the AAUP be able to negotiate a better liberal deal like this in the private sector (Real World). I don't think so!

"Local 153, In the private sector unions are shrinking in membership and power. KSU can not operate without the unions who in my opinion control the school and policies. This is different from the private sector that can operate freely without the contraints and burden of the labor unions. Unless of course your mindset is that of the early 1900's laborer.

What makes this article so relevent with regard to stating my opinions is that because KSU is a State Run Public University, and much like the rest of our public education system, it that it still requires the support of the unions to operate. And Yes I do consider KSU like most universities to be a Liberal School run that is administered using Liberal Ideologies. What is good for the unions is good for the administrators and that would make them pro-union; unlike the private sector that for most businesses, see the union as a necessary evil."

Well, it's obvious your major wasn't History, eh? Otherwise, you might know of the circumstances that lead Ohio's Legislature to allow public employees to organize back in the 70's under Governor Gilligan.

Um...if the Unions "running" KSU are so strongly imbededed with the administrative-policy-wonks running the University, I wonder why it took them so long to even be allowed to attempt to gain such as "fair share" in their bargaining unit agreements? If Unionism is running so rampant on the KSU campus, I wonder why administrative hypocrites such as Doc Cartwright, Doc Lefton and Univeristy Counsel Walker are still stonewalling any provision by the University of "domestic partner benefits" to all it's employees. Hell, even Dominion East Ohio offers same to their meter-readers!

"Inclusion" my arse!