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Opening a dialogue

Abstract:
Sentiments of openness and a resolution to take the issue of race relations into the hands of determined students and faculty resonated throughout Black United Students' regular meeting last night.



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Society

posted 3/27/08 @ 5:30 AM EST

I feel that this is a bunch of Bull! Beth was made out to be a victim because she wants to help blacks, and no one brought up the blogs on the "Staters" website where white students bashed the black students on campus. So, why did this become a Kum-Ba-Yah revival? I feel that nothing was accomplished. People just aired their personal issues....JUST LIKE BETH RANKIN!!!! How about we let the white students on campus who don't approve of blacks tell the rest of us know why they don't like people who just keep to themselves. Why can't people stop trying to down play black students on KSU campus? If anybody feels like their not accepted on Kent States campus it should be the black students, and other minorities. So, I am not a nigger. I am not a coon. I am not monkey. I am not a slave.
And just in response to Ms. Rankin's comment at the meeting... last time I checked I was not invited to come see Third Eye Blind, and I didn't ask to see them. So why was my money spent on bringing them here? So in reality I think the real group around here that can't be touched are not composed of black students.
"There is a campus group that is nearly untouchable. It is one of the largest and most powerful student groups, able to turn campus upside down with a single phone call. Very few columnists or reporters have had the gall to speak against the group's policies, because the Stater is in their back pocket - and they have good reason to be. They are immeasurably powerful. They are USG!!!" Who are made up of mostly white students!!! Students who control how everybody's money will be spent without getting input from the paying students. So how about we talk about how BUS fights to get programs for minority students and are turned down because it is not in the intrest of USG. BETH?!
P.S
Beth we don't need your phone number! So unprofessional sweetie ;-)

KumBaYa

posted 3/27/08 @ 12:56 PM EST

What is wrong with a little Kum Ba Ya?! Do you HAVE to be angry ALL the time? Obviously everyone in attendance last night wanted to accomplish something good, but there's only so much you can do in three short hours. It was not all Bull. Something monumental happened and I can't believe you missed it. We talked, we LISTENED and we established some common ground and TRUST among us. True, we were exercising some restraint, but what could be accomplished by yelling and pointing fingers? In the past those tactics only left us with more hurt and anger still stuck in the same place going over the same rhetoric. Like any good relationship it takes time and understanding. Isn't it time to shift our focus to the solutions? There will always be evil persons who try to put you down, but I know there are more who want to help you. Why would you want to waste one more moment of your precious time and energy on those idiots who try to stand in your way and fail to see and recognize the ones who are doing you good? The room was full of them last night. Anyway, I want to thank BUS, the most gracious Mr. Garrison and last but not least, Beth for the (baby)steps toward trust and mutuality on this campus!! Is that a valid dream or is it more Kum-By-Ya?? I'll keep the dream!
PS -On the subject of being unprofessional? My vote goes to the creator of the flyer!

Society

posted 3/27/08 @ 6:15 PM EST

Originally posted by

Society

I feel that this is a bunch of Bull! Beth was made out to be a victim because she wants to help blacks, and no one brought up the blogs on the "Staters" website where white students bashed the black students on campus. So, why did this become a Kum-Ba-Yah revival? I feel that nothing was accomplished. People just aired their personal issues....JUST LIKE BETH RANKIN!!!! How about we let the white students on campus who don't approve of blacks tell the rest of us know why they don't like people who just keep to themselves. Why can't people stop trying to down play black students on KSU campus? If anybody feels like their not accepted on Kent States campus it should be the black students, and other minorities. So, I am not a nigger. I am not a coon. I am not monkey. I am not a slave.
And just in response to Ms. Rankin's comment at the meeting... last time I checked I was not invited to come see Third Eye Blind, and I didn't ask to see them. So why was my money spent on bringing them here? So in reality I think the real group around here that can't be touched are not composed of black students.
"There is a campus group that is nearly untouchable. It is one of the largest and most powerful student groups, able to turn campus upside down with a single phone call. Very few columnists or reporters have had the gall to speak against the group's policies, because the Stater is in their back pocket - and they have good reason to be. They are immeasurably powerful. They are USG!!!" Who are made up of mostly white students!!! Students who control how everybody's money will be spent without getting input from the paying students. So how about we talk about how BUS fights to get programs for minority students and are turned down because it is not in the intrest of USG. BETH?!
P.S
Beth we don't need your phone number! So unprofessional sweetie ;-)


Ok thats cool and all but every minority is tired of be put on the back burner. If you haven't noticed this type of stuff has gone on at kent for decades not just for 3 hours.(May 21, 1968 - March 26, 2008 = 40 years) This was not the first time people have tried to tackle this problem. And this is why BUS was created to help protect minorities that are bashed & neglected by students and Faculty on campus that don't like these Black, Chinese, Arab, Japanese,and Mexican Students. And also to the white students who keep staying stop being mad at you because you didn't own slaves...... PLEASE STOP!!! I am not a slave!!! I am a student that is tired of being on the recieving end of sterotypes and racism. To think all blacks are mad at whites for slavery is a racist and ignorant statement. Now back to the Ms. Rankin situation... that flyer was created as a tactic to bring people to the meeting and guess what it worked. No one called Beth a KKK member so please quit making BUS out to be reverse racist. And that meeting became very sugar coated so please lets have another so that people can really speak their minds just like Ms. Robyn Wright the young black lady who thought the same.

Rick S

posted 3/29/08 @ 1:45 PM EST

Originally posted by

Society


.......
"There is a campus group that is nearly untouchable. It is one of the largest and most powerful student groups, able to turn campus upside down with a single phone call. Very few columnists or reporters have had the gall to speak against the group's policies, because the Stater is in their back pocket - and they have good reason to be. They are immeasurably powerful. They are USG!!!" Who are made up of mostly white students!!! Students who control how everybody's money will be spent without getting input from the paying students. So how about we talk about how BUS fights to get programs for minority students and are turned down because it is not in the intrest of USG. BETH?!


To be frank: You are wrong.

USG/ACPB does not have the Stater in their back pocket, in fact I'd say just the opposite. The Stater has been critical of them over the past couple years.

The fact that it is made up of a majority of white students, is because that is simply who joined. To even imply they have a white agenda is ignorant. It is not a race group. It is a governing/events group.

I agree that allocations can be loose with their money and do not always pay for what they should, and overpay for some things that I feel shouldn't be here, but there is no solution to that. Someone will always be unhappy. If you have programs for minorities in progress then use other routes. Apply for grants, write someone, get a donation, etc... be creative. USG isn't the only way to get money on this campus.

American

posted 3/27/08 @ 12:11 PM EST

They obviously cleaned up Anastasiya's grammer when they "quoted" her. It usually isn't that good.

White

posted 3/27/08 @ 12:28 PM EST

Originally posted by

American

They obviously cleaned up Anastasiya's grammer when they "quoted" her. It usually isn't that good.



Thats all you have to say about her?

Anastasia

posted 3/27/08 @ 4:05 PM EST

Originally posted by

American

They obviously cleaned up Anastasiya's grammer when they "quoted" her. It usually isn't that good.


That's all you got on me? That's the argument you have against me?

My e-mail is aspytsya@kent.edu anyone who has something to tell me, please do. I will be happy to reply

Shocked

posted 3/27/08 @ 4:54 PM EST

Originally posted by

American

They obviously cleaned up Anastasiya's grammer when they "quoted" her. It usually isn't that good.


A. You spelled her name wrong.
B. You spelled grammar wrong.
C. I am a white girl and thoroughly ashamed of you.

... and people wonder why some in the black community want to keep us at bay. Grow up!

Joel

posted 3/27/08 @ 6:46 PM EST

Originally posted by

American

They obviously cleaned up Anastasiya's grammer when they "quoted" her. It usually isn't that good.


Great work using personal attacks and making fun of someone because they're an immigrant. Its much easier to do than actually listen to the message someone is trying to convey. I personally know her, and her English is excellent. I'm sure she can spell better than you in all three of the languages she speaks. I find xenophobic bigotry a little amusing while discussing race relations. "American", you're an embarrassment to your country. I'd trade a hundred Anastasias for one of you.

Chris

posted 3/27/08 @ 6:01 PM EST

I agree that the flier was unprofessional, so I wouldn't bring up "unprofessional" as a bash. It could easily go both ways.

As for the comparison to USG and the Third Eye Blind concert, there's a major difference and major flaw in that comparison. Yes, you weren't asked your opinion as to who to bring. However, the reason you weren't asked doesn't have to do with race or any other various discriminatory means. No one was asked directly. However, in a way, your opinion was asked through elections. You could vote to elect anyone who would share your interests.

Were you invited? Absolutely. Everyone on campus was invited. Anyone who had Flashline was invited through emails or notification. Advertisements are open invitations to anyone who wants to pay to attend. Compare that to the invitations commonly extended to organizational events like BUS. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people handing out fliers look me in the eye and not even extend their hand to offer me one, only to be sure to hand it to several African-Americans around me. Care to guess what the only difference between me and those that did get the flier was? I'm not saying that's representative of everyone, but it is a problem that I think (or hope, at least) misrepresents the true intention of organizations like that.

As for untouchable, look at the backlash against this singular article Beth wrote compared to the numerous articles that criticized USG's decision to bring Third Eye Blind to campus. Absolutely no one had a problem openly criticizing USG's decision, however look at how much talk there is about this one article, simply because this is not something you are traditionally supposed to or allowed to talk about. That is what I believe Ms. Rankin means by BUS being more untouchable than any organization on campus. Because any criticism is usually met with extreme backlash, whereas that isn't so compared to other student organizations on campus.

FYI

posted 3/27/08 @ 9:36 PM EST

Originally posted by

Chris

I agree that the flier was unprofessional, so I wouldn't bring up "unprofessional" as a bash. It could easily go both ways.

As for the comparison to USG and the Third Eye Blind concert, there's a major difference and major flaw in that comparison. Yes, you weren't asked your opinion as to who to bring. However, the reason you weren't asked doesn't have to do with race or any other various discriminatory means. No one was asked directly. However, in a way, your opinion was asked through elections. You could vote to elect anyone who would share your interests.

Were you invited? Absolutely. Everyone on campus was invited. Anyone who had Flashline was invited through emails or notification. Advertisements are open invitations to anyone who wants to pay to attend. Compare that to the invitations commonly extended to organizational events like BUS. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people handing out fliers look me in the eye and not even extend their hand to offer me one, only to be sure to hand it to several African-Americans around me. Care to guess what the only difference between me and those that did get the flier was? I'm not saying that's representative of everyone, but it is a problem that I think (or hope, at least) misrepresents the true intention of organizations like that.

As for untouchable, look at the backlash against this singular article Beth wrote compared to the numerous articles that criticized USG's decision to bring Third Eye Blind to campus. Absolutely no one had a problem openly criticizing USG's decision, however look at how much talk there is about this one article, simply because this is not something you are traditionally supposed to or allowed to talk about. That is what I believe Ms. Rankin means by BUS being more untouchable than any organization on campus. Because any criticism is usually met with extreme backlash, whereas that isn't so compared to other student organizations on campus.



All I wanted to point out ( AS WAS POINTED OUT BEFORE) is that the flier that was given out was meant to get people to come to the meeting....just like Beth's article was meant to cause something like the meeting to happen. The flier, in that case was as unproffesional as Beth's article.

flier

posted 3/27/08 @ 11:27 PM EST

The flier was unprofessional, people would have come to the meeting no matter what the flier said. It demanded attention and influenced everyone who saw or heard about the flier opinions.

Chris

posted 3/28/08 @ 11:33 AM EST

So for those saying the flier was "simply meant to get people to come to the meeting", are you saying there was no other way to accomplish this? The image of the KKK was absolutely necessary to achieve the goal of getting people to come? If an RA made that flier to get people to come to a hall meeting or building event, would that be ok? Professional? I'm sure there were other ways to get people to come to the meeting without using that image. The use of it for any means is unprofessional, regardless of what the goal is.

Saying using the KKK was the right thing to do is like saying Howard Stern's "shock jock" routine is a professional style of broadcasting. Sure it may work, but does that make it the absolute best way to do things? Doubtful.

Be realistic

posted 3/27/08 @ 9:35 PM EST

Personally, I think it is racist that the campus has a BUS but not a WUS.

"Race is what tears us apart." Then why do you have a club based on race?

Idiots.

Get Informed

posted 3/27/08 @ 9:42 PM EST

Originally posted by

Be realistic

Personally, I think it is racist that the campus has a BUS but not a WUS.

"Race is what tears us apart." Then why do you have a club based on race?

Idiots.


Before you even ask that question, do some reseach. Look up the history of BUS. Maybe you'll understand a little better.

Amen

posted 3/28/08 @ 6:14 PM EST

Originally posted by

Be realistic

Personally, I think it is racist that the campus has a BUS but not a WUS.

"Race is what tears us apart." Then why do you have a club based on race?

Idiots.


SHHHHH! Not so loud! They'll hear you and sue! No common sense allowed here.

The Fact of the Matter

posted 3/27/08 @ 10:19 PM EST

I think some beneficial things happened last night, but the truth of the matter it that Beth wrote a biased and, in many ways, untruthful article about BUS. I'm glad that there was such a nice turn out last. However, I highly doubt that even 1/4 of the people that read that article attended that meeting last night. And regardless of what happened last night, now people think that BUS is a racist, almost black supremist group on the campus.
You can't get a second chance on a first impression, and because Beth wrote this article the way that she did, this is the impression that people have of BUS. It's not like lots of people have a chance or take the time to encounter BUS first-hand, (and hopefully this will change in the near future). But until then, people will think what beth thinks (or thought) about BUS.
The worst part of it is that Beth has been looked at as some type of hero. Really? A hero? I think she was tacky in her way of approaching the situation and the main thing she did was tarnish the image of a deep-rooted, hard working organization on campus... WITHOUT FEELING THE NEED TO APOLOGIZE!
That's why I was so offended by her final comments at the meeting. She wasn't called a racist on the flier...not like Bus was called racist. She wasn't asked for authorization to have the flier printed....just like Demareo wasn't asked for authorization to have his name published in the article. She can't do something and then be offended when the tables are turned, not that the circumstances were intentional.
I just feel that the blogs should have been addressed more and that the purpose of the meeting wasn't accomplished.

Concerned Student

posted 3/27/08 @ 11:11 PM EST

This is my first year here at Kent and when I first read the article I was honestly astonished. I have to admit I was a little turned off by BUS without even knowing anything about them. I feel ashamed because I did not even know what BUS was about before making this judgment, but how are you supposed to know about something if it is not available to you. I would like to see BUS advertising more to all students. This how event saddens me but we should look at the positive side of everything and continue to move forward so an event like this does not happen again.

Maybe more advertising is needed?

posted 3/28/08 @ 12:12 AM EST

Originally posted by

Concerned Student

This is my first year here at Kent and when I first read the article I was honestly astonished. I have to admit I was a little turned off by BUS without even knowing anything about them. I feel ashamed because I did not even know what BUS was about before making this judgment, but how are you supposed to know about something if it is not available to you. I would like to see BUS advertising more to all students. This how event saddens me but we should look at the positive side of everything and continue to move forward so an event like this does not happen again.


I understand what you mean. It isn't that BUS only advertises to a select group of students, BUS events just aren't advertised on a large like other events are on campus.

Preston D. Mitchum - How long will it take?

posted 3/28/08 @ 3:03 AM EST

How long will it take before we can actually come together and realize that their is a problem with race-relations in America and at Kent State? We need to develop an action plan and stop avoiding the fact about race. When we ignore this concept, nothing will ever change.

BUS is an organization that is dedicated to improving the conditions on campus for the small community of minorities, specifically the Black community. I don't see anything wrong with that. Although they do not only advertise toward Blacks, those are most the people who come to their meetings and events. I just don't get what is so wrong with trying to stay connected with others on campus who you feel an affinity to. Everywhere you turn on campus, you see Whites... Everywhere! Is anything wrong with this... No, not necessarily. Nonetheless, will it make minorities uncomfortable? For the most part. Anyone who does not think this is true is absurd.

The people on this comment page who have never been to a BUS event or meeting needs to go and quit being naive and persuaded, simply because of the evident prejudicial biases. Make your own decision and realize the institutional racism is alive and well. Meetings like this are created to tear down the racial wall. Everyone who is too afraid too attend or intimidated to put their actual name, should be ashamed of themselves. This is the reason why racism continues to exist. First, because act like it's no issue and therefore it festers like a sore. Secondly, because people are too afraid to speak about race to people in other ethnicities.

BUS, I am proud of you. Keep up the great work. I am tired of people trying to bash you for actually doing something that others are afraid to do. Everyone on this comment blog who is constantly complaining and never show their face at a meeting to state an opinion, you need to be silenced. But as we all know, "internet thugs" are the best.
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