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Letter to the editor: Don't get caught up in 'Obama-Mania'

Abstract:
There's no missing the advent of Obama, but are we missing something here? All this euphoria will end. The "fighting like hell for votes" will result in a winner. ...

Robin Anderson

posted 3/03/08 @ 7:58 AM EST

Excuse me?

Senator Clintons "qualifications" are anything but "rock solid"! She's backed a lop-sided NAFTA Treaty and Kyoto accord! As Senator Obama has asked, "Just what are her qualifications as far as foreingn policy are concerned." She's alwasy been a shark (lawyer) for big business, whether it was when she was on the Board of Directors for Walmart or, more importantly, an ardent front-person for the health insurance industry!

Governor Carter, Reagan, Bush, et al were all "outsiders" to the Washington establishment to some extent. As far as a political background goes, does it really matter if one was a state Governor or a state Legislator?

Senator Clinton is, indeed, loosing the pr campaign and you don't like it. Well, why don't you demand they debate under the auspices and guidance of the League of Women Voters and we'll get rid of this tv commercial/pr-style campainging, eh?

suzanne holt

posted 3/03/08 @ 10:37 AM EST

Originally posted by

Robin Anderson

Excuse me?

Senator Clintons "qualifications" are anything but "rock solid"! She's backed a lop-sided NAFTA Treaty and Kyoto accord! As Senator Obama has asked, "Just what are her qualifications as far as foreingn policy are concerned." She's alwasy been a shark (lawyer) for big business, whether it was when she was on the Board of Directors for Walmart or, more importantly, an ardent front-person for the health insurance industry!

Governor Carter, Reagan, Bush, et al were all "outsiders" to the Washington establishment to some extent. As far as a political background goes, does it really matter if one was a state Governor or a state Legislator?

Senator Clinton is, indeed, loosing the pr campaign and you don't like it. Well, why don't you demand they debate under the auspices and guidance of the League of Women Voters and we'll get rid of this tv commercial/pr-style campainging, eh?



Respectfully, Robin,
Your redux of Hillary Clinton is so far off, it's not even wrong.
Redux is the art of misunderstanding-on-purpose; and you've done
it gorgeously -- a bona fide artiste!
Although clearly you were making a little joke (& so funny, btw)....
As to whether the U.S. Presidency would be better decided by some other means besides dueling multi-million dollar campains that battle for votes and voters, well, I do believe you've accidentally raised a legitimate point. The Presidency is a professional position. Perhaps
we should have a more professional process.

Robin Anderson

posted 3/03/08 @ 2:41 PM EST

Originally posted by

Robin Anderson

Excuse me?

Senator Clintons "qualifications" are anything but "rock solid"! She's backed a lop-sided NAFTA Treaty and Kyoto accord! As Senator Obama has asked, "Just what are her qualifications as far as foreingn policy are concerned." She's alwasy been a shark (lawyer) for big business, whether it was when she was on the Board of Directors for Walmart or, more importantly, an ardent front-person for the health insurance industry!

Governor Carter, Reagan, Bush, et al were all "outsiders" to the Washington establishment to some extent. As far as a political background goes, does it really matter if one was a state Governor or a state Legislator?

Senator Clinton is, indeed, loosing the pr campaign and you don't like it. Well, why don't you demand they debate under the auspices and guidance of the League of Women Voters and we'll get rid of this tv commercial/pr-style campainging, eh?


Ah...Suzanne...
...misdirection such as yours would make even David Copperfield proud, eh? That's why I believe in a debate format promoted by an organization such as the Legue of Women Voters as opposed to that currently imposed by the networks/campaign organizations; such would eliminate the "special effects" and 30 second spots our current political debates suffer from.

Now, ma'am, just what do you mean by "professional position"? I myself had a "Secret" security clearance garnered during my mere 6 years of military service in the United States Army; I've read that neither Senator Clinton or Senator Obama has same to date. I also doubt that any of our former Governors who became President had such a security clearance either! Of course, I do not have the means to raise tens of millions of campaign dollars as do our illustrious Senators; gawd knows I couldn't make my own campaign a five million dollar loan as has Senator Clinton during her current campaign. Yeah...she really understands where the common working man is coming from.

Please feel free to prove me wrong about Senator Clinton's past association/dealings with either Walmart, NAFTA, campaign loans or her promotion of the Health Insurance Industry. Um...fyi...her ardent promotion of the health insurance industry's concerns is what caused the first Clinton Presidencey's failure at health care reform...

...in additon, please feel free to provide any specifics about Senator Clinton's honorable opponent outside any "anti-Obama mania" contest, please. I can entertain myself with better drivel by watching the WWF.

...too bad a united Nurses Association did not care then to speak out about "Universal Medicare".

suzanne holt

posted 3/03/08 @ 6:42 PM EST

Originally posted by

Robin Anderson

Excuse me?

Senator Clintons "qualifications" are anything but "rock solid"! She's backed a lop-sided NAFTA Treaty and Kyoto accord! As Senator Obama has asked, "Just what are her qualifications as far as foreingn policy are concerned." She's alwasy been a shark (lawyer) for big business, whether it was when she was on the Board of Directors for Walmart or, more importantly, an ardent front-person for the health insurance industry!

Governor Carter, Reagan, Bush, et al were all "outsiders" to the Washington establishment to some extent. As far as a political background goes, does it really matter if one was a state Governor or a state Legislator?

Senator Clinton is, indeed, loosing the pr campaign and you don't like it. Well, why don't you demand they debate under the auspices and guidance of the League of Women Voters and we'll get rid of this tv commercial/pr-style campainging, eh?



dear robin, may I simply say that ...
even if I had all the time in the world,
I can think of nothing more futile than engaging
in a debate with you. your last post reminded me of
what hannah arendt termed "self-induced euphoria."
so ... a very happy HIGH to you.

Robin Anderson

posted 3/04/08 @ 11:16 AM EST

Originally posted by

Robin Anderson

Excuse me?

Senator Clintons "qualifications" are anything but "rock solid"! She's backed a lop-sided NAFTA Treaty and Kyoto accord! As Senator Obama has asked, "Just what are her qualifications as far as foreingn policy are concerned." She's alwasy been a shark (lawyer) for big business, whether it was when she was on the Board of Directors for Walmart or, more importantly, an ardent front-person for the health insurance industry!

Governor Carter, Reagan, Bush, et al were all "outsiders" to the Washington establishment to some extent. As far as a political background goes, does it really matter if one was a state Governor or a state Legislator?

Senator Clinton is, indeed, loosing the pr campaign and you don't like it. Well, why don't you demand they debate under the auspices and guidance of the League of Women Voters and we'll get rid of this tv commercial/pr-style campainging, eh?


Why, thank you for your logical and pointed rebuttal to my assertations...and in such a "royal manner", ma'am! I was waiting with abated breath to see whether or not you'd use the "royal we", eh? Aw...shucks! I don't know who the author was, but I always liked..."If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...it's a f****** duck!" But then, I'm just one of the local peons, don't ya know.

lilly tribobble

posted 5/17/08 @ 8:34 PM EST

Originally posted by

Robin Anderson

Excuse me?

Senator Clintons "qualifications" are anything but "rock solid"! She's backed a lop-sided NAFTA Treaty and Kyoto accord! As Senator Obama has asked, "Just what are her qualifications as far as foreingn policy are concerned." She's alwasy been a shark (lawyer) for big business, whether it was when she was on the Board of Directors for Walmart or, more importantly, an ardent front-person for the health insurance industry!

Governor Carter, Reagan, Bush, et al were all "outsiders" to the Washington establishment to some extent. As far as a political background goes, does it really matter if one was a state Governor or a state Legislator?

Senator Clinton is, indeed, loosing the pr campaign and you don't like it. Well, why don't you demand they debate under the auspices and guidance of the League of Women Voters and we'll get rid of this tv commercial/pr-style campainging, eh?


wow this seems like ancient history - the brink of the ohio primary - and now we know a whole lot more about the "ride" voters got to ride from march through may.
and ... wow, whatta bunch of ploys! my thought: if a dozen top level press people had decided to cut through the crap instead of rolling with it, we'd be in a very different near-endstate right now. too bad it didn't happen!

Zandar

posted 6/03/08 @ 7:25 PM EST

Originally posted by

Robin Anderson

Excuse me?

Senator Clintons "qualifications" are anything but "rock solid"! She's backed a lop-sided NAFTA Treaty and Kyoto accord! As Senator Obama has asked, "Just what are her qualifications as far as foreingn policy are concerned." She's alwasy been a shark (lawyer) for big business, whether it was when she was on the Board of Directors for Walmart or, more importantly, an ardent front-person for the health insurance industry!

Governor Carter, Reagan, Bush, et al were all "outsiders" to the Washington establishment to some extent. As far as a political background goes, does it really matter if one was a state Governor or a state Legislator?

Senator Clinton is, indeed, loosing the pr campaign and you don't like it. Well, why don't you demand they debate under the auspices and guidance of the League of Women Voters and we'll get rid of this tv commercial/pr-style campainging, eh?


Sometimes being oppositional is just plain stupid.

Shouldn't past associations with radical leftists cost something?

posted 3/03/08 @ 10:49 AM EST

"Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon."

This excerpt from William Ayers' memoir appeared in the New York Times on Sept. 11, 2001 -- the day al-Qaeda terrorists crashed hijacked planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Ayers, once a leader in the Weather Underground -- the group that declared "war" on the U.S. government in 1970 -- told the Times, "I don't regret setting bombs," and, "I feel we didn't do enough."

Ayers recently reappeared in the news because Politico.com reported Friday that Barack Obama has loose ties to him. Ayers, now a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, is apparently a left-wing institution in Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood, and Obama visited Ayers' home as a rite of passage when launching his political career in the mid-1990s. The two also served on the board of the charitable Woods Fund of Chicago, which gave money to Northwestern University Law School's Children and Family Justice Center, where Ayers' wife (and former Weather Underground compatriot who glorified violence) Bernardine Dohrn is the director.

I don't think Obama supports domestic terrorism, and I'm sure he can offer eloquent explanations for why he shouldn't suffer any guilt by association. The Hillary Clinton campaign, however, did try to score a few political points, meekly linking to the Politico story on the campaign website's blog. The campaign probably couldn't be more aggressive without calling attention to how Bill Clinton pardoned Puerto Rican separatist terrorists -- perceived to be a way to gain support for Hillary's Senate bid from left-wing Puerto Ricans in New York.

What fascinates me is how light the baggage is when one travels from violent radicalism to liberalism.

I don't think such associations should necessarily cost people their careers or place in polite society, particularly if some sort of contrition is involved. But shouldn't this baggage cost something?

Robin Anderson

posted 3/03/08 @ 1:47 PM EST

Originally posted by

Shouldn't past associations with radical leftists cost something?

"Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon."

This excerpt from William Ayers' memoir appeared in the New York Times on Sept. 11, 2001 -- the day al-Qaeda terrorists crashed hijacked planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Ayers, once a leader in the Weather Underground -- the group that declared "war" on the U.S. government in 1970 -- told the Times, "I don't regret setting bombs," and, "I feel we didn't do enough."

Ayers recently reappeared in the news because Politico.com reported Friday that Barack Obama has loose ties to him. Ayers, now a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, is apparently a left-wing institution in Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood, and Obama visited Ayers' home as a rite of passage when launching his political career in the mid-1990s. The two also served on the board of the charitable Woods Fund of Chicago, which gave money to Northwestern University Law School's Children and Family Justice Center, where Ayers' wife (and former Weather Underground compatriot who glorified violence) Bernardine Dohrn is the director.

I don't think Obama supports domestic terrorism, and I'm sure he can offer eloquent explanations for why he shouldn't suffer any guilt by association. The Hillary Clinton campaign, however, did try to score a few political points, meekly linking to the Politico story on the campaign website's blog. The campaign probably couldn't be more aggressive without calling attention to how Bill Clinton pardoned Puerto Rican separatist terrorists -- perceived to be a way to gain support for Hillary's Senate bid from left-wing Puerto Ricans in New York.

What fascinates me is how light the baggage is when one travels from violent radicalism to liberalism.

I don't think such associations should necessarily cost people their careers or place in polite society, particularly if some sort of contrition is involved. But shouldn't this baggage cost something?


Um...does this mean you don't care to discuss the close relationship between such folks as the anti-abortion terrorists (bombers) and the "religious right"??? Or would you conveniently prefer to call it something else? I haven't heard anyone recently denouncing the Catholics/Protestants in America because they are not publicly renouncing their respective churches for The Spanish Inquisition/The Crusades/The Salem Witch Trials/All The Needless Deaths In Northern Ireland!!!

I assume that both Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn have paid their debt to society, n'est pas?

Liberal Fascism (now NYTimes #1 Bestseller!!!)

posted 3/03/08 @ 5:18 PM EST

Originally posted by

Shouldn't past associations with radical leftists cost something?

Marxist spat: "All The Needless Deaths In Northern Ireland!!!"
Ever wonder where areligious Leftists find the temerity to climb up on their sanctimonious hind legs and howl about the alleged "terrorism" of the religious right? They can't figure out why Leviticus 20:27 doesn't instigate Christian death fatwas against Jennifer Love Hewitt-- but you've got to admire their imagination.

As opposed to (say) atheistic Marxism, whose "rational" forces brought the world 100s of millions of innocent corpses (and counting). Islamo-fascism is still trying to play catch up with Leftist-terrorism.

The evidence of recent history clearly demonstrates that the 20th century's bloodiest mass murderers-- Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Honneker, Mussolini, Caeucescu, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi, il Sung, Mugabe, Mengistu, Castro, Che, PFLP, PKK, FMLN, FARC, IRA, ETA, Red Army faction, Shining Path, Rachel Carson, etc., ad nauseum-- were all inspired by atheistic Marxism.

100 million corpses don't lie. Show us that "intellectual honesty" and own it, you Christianophobic Leftist.

Enter the Hall of Shame

posted 3/03/08 @ 5:31 PM EST

Originally posted by

Shouldn't past associations with radical leftists cost something?

Robin sneered: "I assume that both Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn have paid their debt to society, n'est pas??"
That doesn't address the odious taint of their terrorist past which Barrack Obama has wholly embraced.

Just what other brands of terrorism would an Obama administration get cozy with?

Of course, in the post-9/11 world of perverse "progressivism," bombing our Pentagon remains a badge of honor-- which wholly explains Ayers' and Dohrns' promotion to academia.

Behold! the progressive soul laid bare... enter the Hall of Shame.

Robin Anderson

posted 3/04/08 @ 11:07 AM EST

Originally posted by

Shouldn't past associations with radical leftists cost something?

"Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon."

This excerpt from William Ayers' memoir appeared in the New York Times on Sept. 11, 2001 -- the day al-Qaeda terrorists crashed hijacked planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Ayers, once a leader in the Weather Underground -- the group that declared "war" on the U.S. government in 1970 -- told the Times, "I don't regret setting bombs," and, "I feel we didn't do enough."

Ayers recently reappeared in the news because Politico.com reported Friday that Barack Obama has loose ties to him. Ayers, now a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, is apparently a left-wing institution in Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood, and Obama visited Ayers' home as a rite of passage when launching his political career in the mid-1990s. The two also served on the board of the charitable Woods Fund of Chicago, which gave money to Northwestern University Law School's Children and Family Justice Center, where Ayers' wife (and former Weather Underground compatriot who glorified violence) Bernardine Dohrn is the director.

I don't think Obama supports domestic terrorism, and I'm sure he can offer eloquent explanations for why he shouldn't suffer any guilt by association. The Hillary Clinton campaign, however, did try to score a few political points, meekly linking to the Politico story on the campaign website's blog. The campaign probably couldn't be more aggressive without calling attention to how Bill Clinton pardoned Puerto Rican separatist terrorists -- perceived to be a way to gain support for Hillary's Senate bid from left-wing Puerto Ricans in New York.

What fascinates me is how light the baggage is when one travels from violent radicalism to liberalism.

I don't think such associations should necessarily cost people their careers or place in polite society, particularly if some sort of contrition is involved. But shouldn't this baggage cost something?


Wow...must have hit one hell of a raw nerve, eh? Here, I thought I was doing good just being my "heathen self" - ha! Sorry, buttercup...a murderous fiend in one culture does not justify a murderous fiend in another culture. If I gotta go to hell-in-a-hand-basket it's certainly not going to be following some bible-verse spuing puke like you!

Robin Anderson

posted 3/04/08 @ 12:44 PM EST

Originally posted by

Shouldn't past associations with radical leftists cost something?

"Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon."

This excerpt from William Ayers' memoir appeared in the New York Times on Sept. 11, 2001 -- the day al-Qaeda terrorists crashed hijacked planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Ayers, once a leader in the Weather Underground -- the group that declared "war" on the U.S. government in 1970 -- told the Times, "I don't regret setting bombs," and, "I feel we didn't do enough."

Ayers recently reappeared in the news because Politico.com reported Friday that Barack Obama has loose ties to him. Ayers, now a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, is apparently a left-wing institution in Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood, and Obama visited Ayers' home as a rite of passage when launching his political career in the mid-1990s. The two also served on the board of the charitable Woods Fund of Chicago, which gave money to Northwestern University Law School's Children and Family Justice Center, where Ayers' wife (and former Weather Underground compatriot who glorified violence) Bernardine Dohrn is the director.

I don't think Obama supports domestic terrorism, and I'm sure he can offer eloquent explanations for why he shouldn't suffer any guilt by association. The Hillary Clinton campaign, however, did try to score a few political points, meekly linking to the Politico story on the campaign website's blog. The campaign probably couldn't be more aggressive without calling attention to how Bill Clinton pardoned Puerto Rican separatist terrorists -- perceived to be a way to gain support for Hillary's Senate bid from left-wing Puerto Ricans in New York.

What fascinates me is how light the baggage is when one travels from violent radicalism to liberalism.

I don't think such associations should necessarily cost people their careers or place in polite society, particularly if some sort of contrition is involved. But shouldn't this baggage cost something?


Aw...negatory, buttercup! Aren't we all subject to the redemption profereed by Jesus Christ? Senator Obama did not know these individuals in their "outlaw" years. In addition, not even the National Enquirer has deemed it necessary to make your assertions. Wouldn't they have looked jus great if they'd have thought of asking the questions your assertions make...yeah, right...not even they would stoop that low, eh?

Hitler was a Leftist

posted 3/04/08 @ 1:05 PM EST

Originally posted by

Shouldn't past associations with radical leftists cost something?

Robin spat: "If I gotta go to hell-in-a-hand-basket it's certainly not going to be following some bible-verse spuing puke like you!"
Yes, we know. Leftist IRA apologists will make their hell with all manner of atheistic-Marxist mass murderers.

Good luck with that.

Discover the Network

posted 3/04/08 @ 1:21 PM EST

Originally posted by

Shouldn't past associations with radical leftists cost something?

Robin whined: "Senator Obama did not know these individuals in their 'outlaw' years."
Indeed, Barrack Hussein Obama was a busy young lad (modelling Islamo-fascist fashion attire) while his future terrorist allies were imprisoned for domestic terrorism. Obama had to wait a few years to cozy up to convicted Weather Underground terrorists.

But don't pretend the Weather Underground terrorists' "outlaw" years are over just yet. In "Fugitive Days," Bill Ayers reflects on whether or not he might use bombs against the U.S. in the future. "I can't imagine entirely dismissing the possibility," he writes.

Professor Ayers' has simply moved to the recruitment stage. And he's certainly scored one (potentially) high level ally in Barrack Hussein Obama.

Robin Anderson

posted 3/04/08 @ 8:48 PM EST

Originally posted by

Shouldn't past associations with radical leftists cost something?

"Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon."

This excerpt from William Ayers' memoir appeared in the New York Times on Sept. 11, 2001 -- the day al-Qaeda terrorists crashed hijacked planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Ayers, once a leader in the Weather Underground -- the group that declared "war" on the U.S. government in 1970 -- told the Times, "I don't regret setting bombs," and, "I feel we didn't do enough."

Ayers recently reappeared in the news because Politico.com reported Friday that Barack Obama has loose ties to him. Ayers, now a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, is apparently a left-wing institution in Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood, and Obama visited Ayers' home as a rite of passage when launching his political career in the mid-1990s. The two also served on the board of the charitable Woods Fund of Chicago, which gave money to Northwestern University Law School's Children and Family Justice Center, where Ayers' wife (and former Weather Underground compatriot who glorified violence) Bernardine Dohrn is the director.

I don't think Obama supports domestic terrorism, and I'm sure he can offer eloquent explanations for why he shouldn't suffer any guilt by association. The Hillary Clinton campaign, however, did try to score a few political points, meekly linking to the Politico story on the campaign website's blog. The campaign probably couldn't be more aggressive without calling attention to how Bill Clinton pardoned Puerto Rican separatist terrorists -- perceived to be a way to gain support for Hillary's Senate bid from left-wing Puerto Ricans in New York.

What fascinates me is how light the baggage is when one travels from violent radicalism to liberalism.

I don't think such associations should necessarily cost people their careers or place in polite society, particularly if some sort of contrition is involved. But shouldn't this baggage cost something?


Seems to be some kind of communication problem here, budger! You havin' a brain fart...a senior moment or what? I got no use for any butchers of women and children, whether they claim to be Irish, English, Catholic, Moslem, Protestant, atheist, Stalinist, Maoist, KKK...you name em! Red Brigade, Badder Meinhoff Gang, SDS...they're all just a bunch of center-mass target silhouettes to me. Um, if you'd like me to name a few more nationalitiess/religions/ethnicities that have spawned some world-class monsters I'll be more than happy to...just so's you don't accuse me of being politically incorrect too.

Anti-war Hall of Shame

posted 3/05/08 @ 10:05 AM EST

Originally posted by

Shouldn't past associations with radical leftists cost something?

Robin muttered: "I got no use for any butchers of women and children, whether they claim to be Irish, English, Catholic, Moslem, Protestant, atheist, Stalinist, Maoist, KKK...you name em! Red Brigade, Badder Meinhoff Gang, SDS...they're all just a bunch of center-mass target silhouettes to me.
Oh dear! Careful with such thinly veiled threats of violence. Terrorist sympathizers in Barrack Hussein Obama's camp might take you literally.

In particular, the Students for Democratic Society (SDS)-- with their Krystalnaght-style gutter riots (euphemistically called "anti-war" protests)-- may take issue with such threats. Most Americans were shocked and disgusted with Leftists' pasty-faced mock chants of "Allahu Akbar" in view of our still smoldering Pentagon in November 2001. Yet I don't recall anyone referring to them as "center-mass target silhouettes."

What exactly is Robin suggesting here? Heaven forfend!

Erin Bell

posted 3/10/08 @ 5:34 PM EST

You said it yourself: "loose ties." What all this amounts to is another case of media hijacking the truth. If we really gave a damn about "loose ties" we would not accept the Bush family's ties to Osama Bin Laden and the German Nazi Party (look it up), or Dick Cheney's ties to... well, himself. Politics involves dealing with people whom you may or may not agree with on a personal level. Getting hung up on these contacts, and filling the air with this crap, is dishonest, misleading and entirely unethical.

Also, referring to Bill Ayers as a "domestic terrorist" is reductive and totally ignores the historical context of the Anti-Vietnam War movement, which is also the defining context of that quote.

As far as the transition from "violent radicalism to liberalism," there is no reason to believe Obama EVER endorsed or held any "violent" or "radical" positions. In fact, Obama is not even that liberal when it comes to his platform. He is merely more liberal than Hillary Clinton, which is not much of a jump. I'm just baffled by your comment because you appear to be both very critical of dirty campaign tricks and at the same time are enabling and empowering the spread of political dirt. Think it through.

Originally posted by

Shouldn't past associations with radical leftists cost something?

"Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon."

This excerpt from William Ayers' memoir appeared in the New York Times on Sept. 11, 2001 -- the day al-Qaeda terrorists crashed hijacked planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Ayers, once a leader in the Weather Underground -- the group that declared "war" on the U.S. government in 1970 -- told the Times, "I don't regret setting bombs," and, "I feel we didn't do enough."

Ayers recently reappeared in the news because Politico.com reported Friday that Barack Obama has loose ties to him. Ayers, now a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, is apparently a left-wing institution in Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood, and Obama visited Ayers' home as a rite of passage when launching his political career in the mid-1990s. The two also served on the board of the charitable Woods Fund of Chicago, which gave money to Northwestern University Law School's Children and Family Justice Center, where Ayers' wife (and former Weather Underground compatriot who glorified violence) Bernardine Dohrn is the director.

I don't think Obama supports domestic terrorism, and I'm sure he can offer eloquent explanations for why he shouldn't suffer any guilt by association. The Hillary Clinton campaign, however, did try to score a few political points, meekly linking to the Politico story on the campaign website's blog. The campaign probably couldn't be more aggressive without calling attention to how Bill Clinton pardoned Puerto Rican separatist terrorists -- perceived to be a way to gain support for Hillary's Senate bid from left-wing Puerto Ricans in New York.

What fascinates me is how light the baggage is when one travels from violent radicalism to liberalism.

I don't think such associations should necessarily cost people their careers or place in polite society, particularly if some sort of contrition is involved. But shouldn't this baggage cost something?

What about the FALN

posted 5/05/08 @ 3:23 AM EST

Originally posted by

Shouldn't past associations with radical leftists cost something?

"Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon."

This excerpt from William Ayers' memoir appeared in the New York Times on Sept. 11, 2001 -- the day al-Qaeda terrorists crashed hijacked planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Ayers, once a leader in the Weather Underground -- the group that declared "war" on the U.S. government in 1970 -- told the Times, "I don't regret setting bombs," and, "I feel we didn't do enough."

Ayers recently reappeared in the news because Politico.com reported Friday that Barack Obama has loose ties to him. Ayers, now a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, is apparently a left-wing institution in Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood, and Obama visited Ayers' home as a rite of passage when launching his political career in the mid-1990s. The two also served on the board of the charitable Woods Fund of Chicago, which gave money to Northwestern University Law School's Children and Family Justice Center, where Ayers' wife (and former Weather Underground compatriot who glorified violence) Bernardine Dohrn is the director.

I don't think Obama supports domestic terrorism, and I'm sure he can offer eloquent explanations for why he shouldn't suffer any guilt by association. The Hillary Clinton campaign, however, did try to score a few political points, meekly linking to the Politico story on the campaign website's blog. The campaign probably couldn't be more aggressive without calling attention to how Bill Clinton pardoned Puerto Rican separatist terrorists -- perceived to be a way to gain support for Hillary's Senate bid from left-wing Puerto Ricans in New York.

What fascinates me is how light the baggage is when one travels from violent radicalism to liberalism.

I don't think such associations should necessarily cost people their careers or place in polite society, particularly if some sort of contrition is involved. But shouldn't this baggage cost something?



associations with radicals? You mean when the Clintons pardon the FALN terrorist for bombing Chicago and New York during the 1970's. Why pardon them? to get Hispanic support for a future NY senatorial run of course. At least Obama's friendship wasn't for political ambition

pauly sagan

posted 5/28/08 @ 5:11 PM EST

Originally posted by

Shouldn't past associations with radical leftists cost something?

"Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon."

This excerpt from William Ayers' memoir appeared in the New York Times on Sept. 11, 2001 -- the day al-Qaeda terrorists crashed hijacked planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Ayers, once a leader in the Weather Underground -- the group that declared "war" on the U.S. government in 1970 -- told the Times, "I don't regret setting bombs," and, "I feel we didn't do enough."

Ayers recently reappeared in the news because Politico.com reported Friday that Barack Obama has loose ties to him. Ayers, now a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, is apparently a left-wing institution in Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood, and Obama visited Ayers' home as a rite of passage when launching his political career in the mid-1990s. The two also served on the board of the charitable Woods Fund of Chicago, which gave money to Northwestern University Law School's Children and Family Justice Center, where Ayers' wife (and former Weather Underground compatriot who glorified violence) Bernardine Dohrn is the director.

I don't think Obama supports domestic terrorism, and I'm sure he can offer eloquent explanations for why he shouldn't suffer any guilt by association. The Hillary Clinton campaign, however, did try to score a few political points, meekly linking to the Politico story on the campaign website's blog. The campaign probably couldn't be more aggressive without calling attention to how Bill Clinton pardoned Puerto Rican separatist terrorists -- perceived to be a way to gain support for Hillary's Senate bid from left-wing Puerto Ricans in New York.

What fascinates me is how light the baggage is when one travels from violent radicalism to liberalism.

I don't think such associations should necessarily cost people their careers or place in polite society, particularly if some sort of contrition is involved. But shouldn't this baggage cost something?


All the intelligent columnists and reporters who have even tried to point out legitimate concerns like this have gotten booed off the stage.
And when the Clinton campaign brought up ANYTHING remotely worrisome about Obama as a candidate, it was as if she was Judas and he was Jesus.

Trisha

posted 3/03/08 @ 1:00 PM EST

I have to say that there is also quite a bit of 'Clinton-Mania' going on. Obama certainly isn't the only one blowing sunshine up our hooies, either.

contra-trish

posted 5/17/08 @ 8:36 PM EST

Originally posted by

Trisha

I have to say that there is also quite a bit of 'Clinton-Mania' going on. Obama certainly isn't the only one blowing sunshine up our hooies, either.


thanks trish for that eloquent comeback! whew-ee!!

Ellie the Kiddo

posted 5/28/08 @ 10:12 PM EST

Originally posted by

Trisha

I have to say that there is also quite a bit of 'Clinton-Mania' going on. Obama certainly isn't the only one blowing sunshine up our hooies, either.


OK, I've gotta add this because I just ran into a group of about six or seven idiots who were screaming obscene things about Ron Paul, John McCain and Hillary Clinton
(two examples: RP s**ks c**k; HC e*ts p*ssy - you know,
very advanced and elevated comments like that). Naturally they were for Obama and started chanting stupid stuff like BO k*cks a*s and such. Well, my point is this: I'm only 22 but from what my parents and grandparents tell me, this new Obama-crowd tendency to outshout the opposition with immature, vulgar, stupid four-letter-word rants is some kind of strategic innovation they've not seen. And I for one am sick of hearing from them, seeing their ignorant comments in print and, as of today, catching their obnoxious act LIVE. If you can judge a candidate by his followers, Obama's on the lowdown dirty side. Even his more mature surrogates operate the same way, employing insults like "monster" and "liar" - or "racist." What his advisors just did with Clinton's reference to RFK was hideous!!!

Peter Scarpira

posted 3/03/08 @ 2:42 PM EST

"She's backed a lop-sided NAFTA Treaty and Kyoto accord!"
Yes- But she has also spoken out against it.

This was a wonderful letter!

Trisha: A reporter on MSNBC stated... Wow, after listening to that speech I don't know how someone could vote for anyone else.
That was in regards to Obama. JOURNALISTS are supposed to remain nonpartisan. How Horrible...
Obama Mania is real, and its very, very scary!!

Robin Anderson

posted 3/03/08 @ 2:59 PM EST

Originally posted by

Peter Scarpira

"She's backed a lop-sided NAFTA Treaty and Kyoto accord!"
Yes- But she has also spoken out against it.

This was a wonderful letter!

Trisha: A reporter on MSNBC stated... Wow, after listening to that speech I don't know how someone could vote for anyone else.
That was in regards to Obama. JOURNALISTS are supposed to remain nonpartisan. How Horrible...
Obama Mania is real, and its very, very scary!!


Senator Clinton spoke out against both NAFTA and incursions such as the "Iraq War" only when it was politically expedient. Please check her voting record as a Senator instead of distorting it.

I agree whole-heartedly with your comment about the lack of professionalism exhibited recenlty by certain "reporters", especially those in the employ of MSNBC! So please tell me why MSNBC or Fox or PBS, et al, should ever be the sponsors of any such debate?

Clinton Voter

posted 3/03/08 @ 3:25 PM EST

Originally posted by

Peter Scarpira

"She's backed a lop-sided NAFTA Treaty and Kyoto accord!"
Yes- But she has also spoken out against it.

This was a wonderful letter!

Trisha: A reporter on MSNBC stated... Wow, after listening to that speech I don't know how someone could vote for anyone else.
That was in regards to Obama. JOURNALISTS are supposed to remain nonpartisan. How Horrible...
Obama Mania is real, and its very, very scary!!



"Senator Clinton never voted for or against NAFTA (point blank). She has said NAFTA has done good things for certain area's of this country, but says it needs revised.

Senator OBAMA has only spoke out against the Iraq War but has voted for its FUNDING. So please, check HIS and HER voting record before telling me that I am distorting her voting record. I've checked my facts. "



PERFECT!

Jim

posted 5/08/08 @ 4:52 PM EST

Originally posted by

Peter Scarpira

"She's backed a lop-sided NAFTA Treaty and Kyoto accord!"
Yes- But she has also spoken out against it.

This was a wonderful letter!

Trisha: A reporter on MSNBC stated... Wow, after listening to that speech I don't know how someone could vote for anyone else.
That was in regards to Obama. JOURNALISTS are supposed to remain nonpartisan. How Horrible...
Obama Mania is real, and its very, very scary!!


You've got to be kidding me about the he voted against the war but voted to fund it. Of course he voted to fund it. You'd have to be a moron not to. If we are going to be there, which we are, they are going to need funding. Otherwise, we'd have a bunch of troops running around without ammo. It's just a piss poor argument to make. You can be against something and still make the right decision. If the war is going to continue we have to fund it. Bottom line... terrible argument. Go back to your dorm room and think about how moronic you are.

Jim

Peter Scarpira

posted 3/03/08 @ 3:22 PM EST

Senator Clinton never voted for or against NAFTA (point blank). She has said NAFTA has done good things for certain area's of this country, but says it needs revised.

Senator OBAMA has only spoke out against the Iraq War but has voted for its FUNDING. So please, check HIS and HER voting record before telling me that I am distorting her voting record. I've checked my facts.

Robin Anderson

posted 3/04/08 @ 10:42 AM EST

Originally posted by

Peter Scarpira

Senator Clinton never voted for or against NAFTA (point blank). She has said NAFTA has done good things for certain area's of this country, but says it needs revised.

Senator OBAMA has only spoke out against the Iraq War but has voted for its FUNDING. So please, check HIS and HER voting record before telling me that I am distorting her voting record. I've checked my facts.


What, you conveniently forgot about Senator Clinton's votes on funding military incursions such as Iraq? And you still never heard a peep out of her about revising NAFTA until she campaigned in Ohio and other Midwest states!

M. A.

posted 3/03/08 @ 6:47 PM EST

Suzanne L. Holt: I totally agree with your analysis of what has been going on in this election. I have been hoping that Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania can put a "pause" to this Obamania, but I know that is a pipe dream. The other day I heard someone say that whoever has the most money wins the election. I hate to think that is a true statement.

I have a few comments that I would like to post, and I'll do it in pieces.

The first piece is: Even though Ted Kennedy, Jay Rockefeller, and John Kerry voted for the Iraq resolution, Obama happily accepted their endorsements, and he continues to attack Hillary who voted the same way they did.

The following is from an article dated 3/2/08 written by Ben Smith, titled Dwelling on Iraq. It's on politico.com

"Earlier today, Sen. Obama attacked Hillary on Iraq by invoking Sen. Rockefeller and incorrectly saying that the WVA Senator opposed the 2002 Iraq vote. The truth is that Sen. Rockefeller voted for the war resolution - not against it as Sen. Obama suggested to the people of Ohio. This seems to be an Obama campaign talking point since its top strategist also claimed that Sen. Rockefeller voted against the war resolution when he was on national television this morning."

Regarding Obama calling Hillary's ad fear mongering:

Fear mongering?

"...don't think that I care any less than Rudy Giuliani or Mitt Romney about making sure that my daughters don't get blown up."

"I live in Chicago. It's a much more likely target than Grundy County for the next terrorist attack."

..."this attitude that all Muslims are out to get us, and our only job is to think militarily and we can't find ways of creating an understanding with these countries, then we are destined to have an ongoing war, and we might as well sign up our young people now because it won't stop. It won't stop with Iran. We'll just keep on going and our country will be less safe over the long..."

These are some of Obama's comments made to an elderly woman in Iowa who asked, "I want to know specifically what you would do to protect this country from terrorism, and are we going to close the borders, and are we going to get rid of the illegal immigrants? He did not answer the rest of her questions.

Obama has been dismissing Clinton's recent ad as fear-mongering. Some people may not think what he said s fear mongering. I do. People in Chicago and parents of our college graduates and non-college young people may be fearful because of what he said.

I saw this video on Morning Joe and YouTube and never saw it anywhere else. It is on YouTube under the heading Barack Obama Answers National Security Questions.

QB@KSU

posted 4/28/08 @ 10:27 PM EST

Originally posted by

M. A.

Suzanne L. Holt: I totally agree with your analysis of what has been going on in this election. I have been hoping that Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania can put a "pause" to this Obamania, but I know that is a pipe dream. The other day I heard someone say that whoever has the most money wins the election. I hate to think that is a true statement.

I have a few comments that I would like to post, and I'll do it in pieces.

The first piece is: Even though Ted Kennedy, Jay Rockefeller, and John Kerry voted for the Iraq resolution, Obama happily accepted their endorsements, and he continues to attack Hillary who voted the same way they did.

The following is from an article dated 3/2/08 written by Ben Smith, titled Dwelling on Iraq. It's on politico.com

"Earlier today, Sen. Obama attacked Hillary on Iraq by invoking Sen. Rockefeller and incorrectly saying that the WVA Senator opposed the 2002 Iraq vote. The truth is that Sen. Rockefeller voted for the war resolution - not against it as Sen. Obama suggested to the people of Ohio. This seems to be an Obama campaign talking point since its top strategist also claimed that Sen. Rockefeller voted against the war resolution when he was on national television this morning."

Regarding Obama calling Hillary's ad fear mongering:

Fear mongering?

"...don't think that I care any less than Rudy Giuliani or Mitt Romney about making sure that my daughters don't get blown up."

"I live in Chicago. It's a much more likely target than Grundy County for the next terrorist attack."

..."this attitude that all Muslims are out to get us, and our only job is to think militarily and we can't find ways of creating an understanding with these countries, then we are destined to have an ongoing war, and we might as well sign up our young people now because it won't stop. It won't stop with Iran. We'll just keep on going and our country will be less safe over the long..."

These are some of Obama's comments made to an elderly woman in Iowa who asked, "I want to know specifically what you would do to protect this country from terrorism, and are we going to close the borders, and are we going to get rid of the illegal immigrants? He did not answer the rest of her questions.

Obama has been dismissing Clinton's recent ad as fear-mongering. Some people may not think what he said s fear mongering. I do. People in Chicago and parents of our college graduates and non-college young people may be fearful because of what he said.

I saw this video on Morning Joe and YouTube and never saw it anywhere else. It is on YouTube under the heading Barack Obama Answers National Security Questions.


Well, there's been a pause. The question is whether the story will just resume ... or .... ?

M. A.

posted 3/03/08 @ 7:27 PM EST

Obama is campaigning on CHANGE, but will HE be able to change his voting and decision-making habits?

Since day one, Obama has been pounding on Hillary by saying, "I have always been against the war and Hillary voted for it." However, many voters think he voted against it and are supporting him for that reason. He didn't vote against it because he wasn't a U. S. Senator in 2002. Speaking out against and voting against are two different things.

Now, that he is a U. S. Senator, he spoke out against the IRAN resolution because he thought it was the same as the Iraq resolution and would give Bush approval to take military action against IRAN. When the IRAN resolution came up for a vote, he chose to stay on the campaign trail and miss that important vote. So, what we have is that he spoke out against the IRAN resolution and didn't vote against it when he was eligible to vote. That coupled with his "oops" votes and "present" votes in the Illinois Senate, leads me to believe that he has been deliberately dodging controversial issues in Illinois and Washington in his preparedness to run for President.

We all know that it is very difficult for a Senator to run for President because opponents are quick to criticize votes they have made. And that was one of the first things he did to Hillary. I believe that In both Senates, he has been basing some of his votes on his personal goal of becoming President instead of voting for or against what is best for the people -- so that any opponent won't be able to do to him what he is doing to Hillary. If he does win, we can only hope that HE CHANGES and starts taking responsibility for his decisions and not make them based on his run for a second term in four years. If he doesn't change, Obama supporters should take the responsibility to speak out if they feel he isn't changing.

M. A.

posted 3/03/08 @ 7:35 PM EST

This is my last post...

Even though Ted Kennedy, Jay Rockefeller, John Kerry and Joe Lieberman voted for the Iraq resolution, Obama happily accepted their endorsements, and he continues to attack Hillary who voted the same way they did.

The following is from an article dated 3/2/08 written by Ben Smith, titled Dwelling on Iraq. It's on politico.com

"Earlier today, Sen. Obama attacked Hillary on Iraq by invoking Sen. Rockefeller and incorrectly saying that the WVA Senator opposed the 2002 Iraq vote. The truth is that Sen. Rockefeller voted for the war resolution - not against it as Sen. Obama suggested to the people of Ohio. This seems to be an Obama campaign talking point since its top strategist also claimed that Sen. Rockefeller voted against the war resolution when he was on national television this morning."

suzanne holt

posted 3/03/08 @ 8:48 PM EST

M.A.,
thank you for your very cogent installments.
it is especially worth noting how it's become
a liability to be a hard-working senator who
actually HAD the courage to take stands and
acquire a voting record ....

Tasheeda DeWeese

posted 6/03/08 @ 7:15 PM EST

Originally posted by

suzanne holt

M.A.,
thank you for your very cogent installments.
it is especially worth noting how it's become
a liability to be a hard-working senator who
actually HAD the courage to take stands and
acquire a voting record ....


It's not a liability if you don't make huge mistakes!

Jules Lee Andrews

posted 3/03/08 @ 11:54 PM EST

Even if a child was asked to describe the campaign, I think they'd see a difference between the media treatment of Ms. Hillary Clinton and Mr. Barack Obama. Whether we agree with any or all of either's politics, a mere objective discussion of the media circus will find that mania, obsession, hyper-focus fit only one candidate. Also, the style of delivery and early vote tactics seem to border more on hype with the Obama campaign--- I kinda like the perspective presented. It's just something that needs to be said. It's like when a child is out of control in a grocery store. Perhaps the mom, dad, first cousin, and best friend of the child don't think its okay for a passer by to comment, but the situation almost begs it.

So, thanks for the courage to write Suzanne Holt!

MikeK

posted 3/04/08 @ 8:04 AM EST

Today is the day that Hillary's Campaign dies! Good riddance

Obama 08!

Jules Lee Andrews

posted 3/04/08 @ 10:21 AM EST

Originally posted by

MikeK

Today is the day that Hillary's Campaign dies! Good riddance

Obama 08!


Well Mike, how refreshing to see a young Nazi speaking out! What ever happens today, the campaign does not die... do you know why? (rhetorical, of course you don't...) because it stands for something that is alive and well and will continue to do that with or without the nomination.

Be careful on the ice, Mike!

Robin Anderson

posted 3/04/08 @ 10:54 AM EST

Originally posted by

MikeK

Today is the day that Hillary's Campaign dies! Good riddance

Obama 08!


And so the "hyperbole" continues on both sides, eh? I suggest you read your history books and learn the true meaning of the "Nazis" philosophy, eh young lady? Such a piss-poor reference as yours in response to what was at worst a juvenile or ignorant statement...you do a great disservice to that generation and those veterans, both men and women, who stood up to and defeated such incarnate evil.

Hitler was a Leftist

posted 3/04/08 @ 1:25 PM EST

Originally posted by

MikeK

Robin bloviated: "I suggest you read your history books and learn the true meaning of the "Nazis" philosophy, eh young lady?"
Hitler was a Leftist.

Own it.

Jules Lee Andrews

posted 3/04/08 @ 2:55 PM EST

[QUOTE id="7698fc8e-14d1-462d-9012-0b9fc7a1f3ef"] Re: Today is the day that Hillary's Campaign dies! Good riddance... a reference to nazi(& oops excuse the use of such a strong word to describe someone so much less than strong) and Robin's comments about the origins of nazi (who was she talking to?) and mike's on "owning the fact that Hitler was a leftest..."



Wow-- between Mike and Robin I am quite confused~ have you two not cancelled each other out yet? LOL

Jules Lee Andrews

posted 3/04/08 @ 3:37 PM EST

To Robin: ...And so the "hyperbole" continues on both sides, eh? I suggest you read your history books and learn the true meaning of the "Nazis" philosophy, eh young lady? Such a piss-poor reference as yours in response to what was at worst a juvenile or ignorant statement...you do a great disservice to that generation and those veterans, both men and women, who stood up to and defeated such incarnate evil

I like your use of the word "eh" but this is an indeed a heavy thing you have hurled upon me for my reference to the familiarized form of nazi. perhaps this is the first you have heard it used casually and so i apologize for the trauma to you and the entire generation before.

or do you too speak in hyperbole?

Robin Anderson

posted 3/04/08 @ 8:31 PM EST

Originally posted by

MikeK

Today is the day that Hillary's Campaign dies! Good riddance

Obama 08!


No ma'am. I just feel that the cavalier use of such a term obfuscates it's true meaning. As for the generation that saved us from such evil, they certainly don't need me to defend them; their actions speak for themselves.

suzanne holt

posted 3/04/08 @ 10:21 AM EST

thank you, mike, for getting beneath all pleasantry to
the real true tone of the obama campaign.
and - since you're such a prophet, mike -
perhaps you can tell us what will happen in our next four years

also, for the record, jules lee:
I do hope the children [younger than mike - who
clearly feels like a man] who
"saw it all" will remember --
'cuz if this election's any indication,
the future belongs to the best "propagandists"~
btw, your analogy rocks!

Jules Lee Andrews

posted 3/04/08 @ 10:29 AM EST

Originally posted by

suzanne holt

thank you, mike, for getting beneath all pleasantry to
the real true tone of the obama campaign.
and - since you're such a prophet, mike -
perhaps you can tell us what will happen in our next four years

also, for the record, jules lee:
I do hope the children [younger than mike - who
clearly feels like a man] who
"saw it all" will remember --
'cuz if this election's any indication,
the future belongs to the best "propagandists"~
btw, your analogy rocks!


Thanks for your observations, Suzanne, and obviously you have seen my kids in the grocery store. Mike is an embarassment to thinking mankind. I thought men liked contests Mike. Meet me in Ohio! <-:

suzanne holt

posted 3/04/08 @ 12:36 PM EST

nazi? piss-poor historical reference?
I'm guessing jules lee was simply using the
word the way thousands of people use the word daily -
the way the merriam-webster dictionary does:
to mean a domineering and intolerant person.
however, I do agree that we should ALL go read our history books!
and, really, the sooner the better.

Robin Anderson

posted 3/04/08 @ 11:18 PM EST

Originally posted by

suzanne holt

nazi? piss-poor historical reference?
I'm guessing jules lee was simply using the
word the way thousands of people use the word daily -
the way the merriam-webster dictionary does:
to mean a domineering and intolerant person.
however, I do agree that we should ALL go read our history books!
and, really, the sooner the better.


Hm...my Webster's New World Dictionary, Third Edition, does not have the "benign" addendum to said definition used by the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary. An old dictionary for an old, curmudgeon of a carpenter, I guess.

In any case, I don't believe that the good folk who survived such inhumanity as Auschwitz, Sobibor, or Treblinka...the attack on Pearl Harbor...the Invasion of Normandy...the sinking of the USS Indianapolis...the blanket bombing of Dresdin, Germany...the loosing of atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki...would condone such an indifferent additon to the definition of the evil responsible for the Third Reich.

suzanne holt

posted 3/05/08 @ 10:28 AM EST

robin,
straight-to-the-point:
intolerance and domineering isn't
really all that benign.
malignant is malignant even if it lies in waiting.

Robin Anderson

posted 3/06/08 @ 10:31 AM EST

Originally posted by

suzanne holt

nazi? piss-poor historical reference?
I'm guessing jules lee was simply using the
word the way thousands of people use the word daily -
the way the merriam-webster dictionary does:
to mean a domineering and intolerant person.
however, I do agree that we should ALL go read our history books!
and, really, the sooner the better.


So glad you agree with me, ma'am.

Robin Anderson

posted 3/06/08 @ 2:52 PM EST

Originally posted by

suzanne holt

nazi? piss-poor historical reference?
I'm guessing jules lee was simply using the
word the way thousands of people use the word daily -
the way the merriam-webster dictionary does:
to mean a domineering and intolerant person.
however, I do agree that we should ALL go read our history books!
and, really, the sooner the better.


Sue, more to the point...one may be a dominating or an intolerant sob without being evil! Please see Ammanda Kozma's article, "ROTC student to study in Russia" in the 6 Mar 08 issue of the Stater.

"You walk through the streets there, and you see plaques and sculptures of military heroes everywhere," Newburn said.

Mother Russia, a 171-foot-high statue built to commemorate the World War II battle of Stalingrad, impressed Newburn the most.

"To Americans, World War II can seem so far away, but there - it's not," Newburn said.

Please ask the good folks of Russia what they associate the term Nazi with...I'll wager it's not the soup-twit on Sinefeld, eh?

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