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Strengthening marriage was an Election Day victory

Abstract:
Despite a depressing election for Republicans, one issue proved to be a victory. The enthusiastic support for Barack Obama from black voters and other socially conservative demographics brought to the forefront one aspect of the social agenda of the Republican platform: traditional marriage....

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Val

posted 11/18/08 @ 2:22 AM EST

What a disgustingly bigoted view to hold. Marriage is a CIVIL state, not a solely religious one, and the state should recognize it for all its citizens, regardless of gender. Last I checked, matters of state and religion were meant to be kept separate.

And to suggest that a homosexual marriage will lead to polygamy and the so-called "slippery slope," I remind you that the Mormon faith in its most original form required polygamy for a man to be considered a good member of the church.

The times, they are a-changing. Either you'll join us in the 21st century, or we'll gladly leave you behind.
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Blah

posted 11/18/08 @ 4:51 PM EST

More homophobia/fear brought to us by Steven Ontko and his "right" and totally distorted views.

Millions of hetero married men AND women cheat on their spouses every day! One only has to look at any church (Chistian based are usually the biggest hypocrites) to find these people who are deemed "more worthy" to marry.

Lets be honest. While some Obama supporters may have voted against gay marriage, the majority of that vote came from conservative voters. It's always been the motivation of the wealthy to divide the working class in whatever way possible and we let them do it. Yes, Steven, as repulsive as it is, you too are the working class. You are no better than anyone else and you should be ashamed of yourself for promoting hate politics. When you stop being a tool you'll understand that you too are being oppressed by pushing the propaganda that doesn't benefit you either.
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WE <3 STEPHEN!!

posted 11/18/08 @ 9:24 PM EST

GREAT ARTICLE STEPHEN!
WE COMPLETELY SUPPORT YOUR VIEWS!
DON'T LET ANYONE DISCOURAGE YOU. YOU JUST SPEAK UP FOR ALL OF US!
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Val

posted 11/19/08 @ 2:37 AM EST

Originally posted by

WE <3 STEPHEN!!

 GREAT ARTICLE STEPHEN!
WE COMPLETELY SUPPORT YOUR VIEWS!
DON'T LET ANYONE DISCOURAGE YOU. YOU JUST SPEAK UP FOR ALL OF US!


Sure... except the hundreds of thousands of the rest of us for whom he does not and will not EVER speak.
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Sam`

posted 11/24/08 @ 2:09 AM EST

Originally posted by

WE <3 STEPHEN!!

 GREAT ARTICLE STEPHEN!
WE COMPLETELY SUPPORT YOUR VIEWS!
DON'T LET ANYONE DISCOURAGE YOU. YOU JUST SPEAK UP FOR ALL OF US!


Are you joking or just stupid?
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stephen fan Klub

posted 11/24/08 @ 11:12 PM EST

Originally posted by

WE <3 STEPHEN!!

 GREAT ARTICLE STEPHEN!
WE COMPLETELY SUPPORT YOUR VIEWS!
DON'T LET ANYONE DISCOURAGE YOU. YOU JUST SPEAK UP FOR ALL OF US!


No, we aren't joking.
steve has really good viewpoints and you are ignorant.
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Andrew

posted 11/19/08 @ 2:44 PM EST

Steve, you are a bigot and I wonder how "freedom" exactly applies when you deny other people that same freedom. I call that privilege. If you want to talk about freedom, leave these people alone and don't support blatantly bigoted laws. But then again, I remember you don't want freedom, you want the privilege to be a perfect little goody two shoes, bougie, white male who has never experienced any form of institutionalized oppression.
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Mr. Jesse Merino

posted 11/19/08 @ 3:46 PM EST

I'm sorry, but I have to take the Bible as my guideline on this matter.
And, I am suprised that Saint "whats his name", that is revered as all saints in the catholic church would write a piece such as that.

It didnt start out as Adam and Steve, it started out as Adam and Eve. Take it up with JESUS when you are there for the breif time in which to be judged, maybe HE can explain it to you, before HE passes judgement.

You may call me a Bible thumper, its OK, but, I hold the Good Book as that above all else that holds the Words of our LORD, JESUS CHRIST in and its my moral and social guideline.

Sure, its easy not to believe so that you can do what you want, but, there are always consequences to all actions. So, I just make sure that my actions are in accordance to what the LORD dictates, one man and one woman marriage.

May the LORD Bless each of you.

I wish you well...

Jesse Merino
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josh

posted 11/19/08 @ 10:59 PM EST

Originally posted by

Mr. Jesse Merino

 I'm sorry, but I have to take the Bible as my guideline on this matter.
And, I am suprised that Saint "whats his name", that is revered as all saints in the catholic church would write a piece such as that.

It didnt start out as Adam and Steve, it started out as Adam and Eve. Take it up with JESUS when you are there for the breif time in which to be judged, maybe HE can explain it to you, before HE passes judgement.

You may call me a Bible thumper, its OK, but, I hold the Good Book as that above all else that holds the Words of our LORD, JESUS CHRIST in and its my moral and social guideline.

Sure, its easy not to believe so that you can do what you want, but, there are always consequences to all actions. So, I just make sure that my actions are in accordance to what the LORD dictates, one man and one woman marriage.

May the LORD Bless each of you.

I wish you well...

Jesse Merino



so if you want to use the bible as your guide how about do unto others as you would have done unto yourself or just simply love thy neighbor? i think those ones are lost in the prop 8 hate mongering of the mormon church
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Robin Anderson

posted 11/21/08 @ 11:26 AM EST

Originally posted by

Mr. Jesse Merino

 I'm sorry, but I have to take the Bible as my guideline on this matter.
And, I am suprised that Saint "whats his name", that is revered as all saints in the catholic church would write a piece such as that.

It didnt start out as Adam and Steve, it started out as Adam and Eve. Take it up with JESUS when you are there for the breif time in which to be judged, maybe HE can explain it to you, before HE passes judgement.

You may call me a Bible thumper, its OK, but, I hold the Good Book as that above all else that holds the Words of our LORD, JESUS CHRIST in and its my moral and social guideline.

Sure, its easy not to believe so that you can do what you want, but, there are always consequences to all actions. So, I just make sure that my actions are in accordance to what the LORD dictates, one man and one woman marriage.

May the LORD Bless each of you.

I wish you well...

Jesse Merino


Hi Jesse! Glad you're still here, bud!

Sir, as a "heathen of little faith", I would only wish to respect your individual decision on such personal mattersas "marriage", just as I've strove(?) to respect the decisions of those who are "queer as three-dollar-bills"! What is the "true" definition of love?

As such, Jesse, I would only ask you to consider the historical divorce rate of "properly" married couples. I'm sure you know that there are even decidedly different concepts on the issue of divorce amongst "Christian" sects, eh?
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Brittany

posted 11/19/08 @ 4:09 PM EST

Although I respect your right to free speech and to have an opinion, the world is far too diverse to have such a narrow view. Like Val said, marriage is a civil right, and the Supreme Court passed gay marriage because the marriage ban is unconstitutional if you separate church and state. And even if gay marriage did pass, it wouldn't affect you, Stephen. It doesn't change the way a man loves a woman and vice versa. The LGBT community is only asking for the chance love and to receive the same couple benefits every other couple receives. And if marriage is so sacred, than divorce should be illegal.
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MK

posted 11/20/08 @ 9:38 PM EST

Why should a few people's religion dictate how the rest of us live? Imagine what the world would of been like if our ancestors would of followed what the church always said. We would still be in the medieval times
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MWorrell

posted 11/21/08 @ 10:28 AM EST

I heard a man some years ago on NPR's "Fresh Air", a sociologist (not a priest), expressing his apprehension at the prospect of legally redefining marriage. He was basically saying that there is absolutely no precedent for it, and it IS a huge matter to move away from an understanding of marriage that is based on ancient societal and biological imperatives, not individual actualization. Must we shut him up? Cover our ears?

Barack Obama and John Kerry do not support gay marriage. Are they bigots?

Here is my issue. If we say, right now, "Marriage is now expanded to include one man and one woman", that is flatly unconstitutional.

Marriage, for all of history, has been based on a biological reality that exists exclusively between a man and a woman. It is unique to the sexual union of a man and a woman, and it produces children in most cases. That's a fact, and no amount of stomping around with signs and yelling will change it.

The term "Girl Scout" means something specific, based on biology (I understand that there is a radical understanding of gender identity that would suggest that a biological male can be female in gender, but that's specious at best). "Girl Scout" means something unique, and objectively true in the biological sense. When we deny boys the right to join Girl Scouts, we are not discriminating, and it is constitutional to do so. We are recognizing a separateness that is rooted in biology. When we deny girls the right to join the football team, that is another matter. You don't need a penis to play football. But if you have a penis, you cannot be a Girl Scout. You're still equal, but you can't join.

With very few exceptions, we all get this.

Currently, marriage is a unique state based on unique biological facts and capabilities. That is the sole reason for marriage, historically. It's is the only reason we can define it at all.

If we change that, we have stepped out of the biological and into the completely arbitrary. If we say, "These two men can get married, but not three", we have drawn an arbitrary boundary that infringes on the constitutional right to privacy of a polygamist. Throughout history, siblings have had sexual relationships and fallen in love romantically. While most of us abhor the thought, 30 years ago most people abhorred the thought of two men making love. Why can't siblings marry? What is the constitutional basis for that? Can I marry my uncle so that he can get health benefits on my family health plan, if we share a residence? If marriage grants me rights I otherwise can't have, who are you to exclude us as a family if we choose to define ourselves that way?

If we categorize those concerns as absurd, we discriminate. I find it far more constitutionally sound to say that any group of people who want to share a residence and be a household or family unit can do so, with a domestic partnership. I don't see how any other boundary isn't exclusionary and discriminatory once we discount the biological uniqueness of marriage. If you can, I'd like to hear it.
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MWorrell

posted 11/21/08 @ 12:57 PM EST

Originally posted by

MWorrell

 I heard a man some
Here is my issue. If we say, right now, "Marriage is now expanded to include one man and one woman", that is flatly unconstitutional.


A correction:
Here is my issue. If we say, right now, "Marriage is now expanded to include two men or two women", that is flatly unconstitutional.
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Ben

posted 11/21/08 @ 2:46 PM EST

Ok. What we have here is a person with a very light education in the philosophies playing way out of his league. The beauty of the philosophies is that they are an open arena for discourse and discovery... not a hammer with which to push personal opinion.
Second, these few philosophical quotes do nothing to address the philosophies that the average US citizen operates under. We live in a country that places high value on INDIVIDUAL freedom. Not homogeneity. Stephen, perhaps you would be more comfortable in a less free society where the government actively legislates to make everyone more like you.
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Robin Anderson

posted 11/23/08 @ 3:51 PM EST

Originally posted by

Ben

 Ok. What we have here is a person with a very light education in the philosophies playing way out of his league. The beauty of the philosophies is that they are an open arena for discourse and discovery... not a hammer with which to push personal opinion.
Second, these few philosophical quotes do nothing to address the philosophies that the average US citizen operates under. We live in a country that places high value on INDIVIDUAL freedom. Not homogeneity. Stephen, perhaps you would be more comfortable in a less free society where the government actively legislates to make everyone more like you.



Hey..."I resemble that remark"! But thanks, anyways. I always thought that Nature abhored a mono-culture even more so than a vacume.
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Nelson Angstrom

posted 11/24/08 @ 11:47 AM EST

An hourly employee is, as I undertand it, fired for promulgating an email through @kent.edu which has alleged racist and anti-semitic remarks and/or statements and/or phrases. However, the Stater allows its employees, students though they may be, to publish what is most certainly an anti-homosexuality sort of squishy philosophical discourse.
Freedom of the press, but not freedom of expression via university email??

Yo, President Lefton et al, the hate speech policy on your campus says something like words and/or phrases that make others on campus uncomfortable etc etc etc will not be tolerated and constitute hate speech for ALL on campus communication (ie between students and employees, employees and employees, students and students). Put it in an opinion column in the Stater, however, and it's just okey dokey??

Yo, Robin Anderson, you should have submitted whatever your diatribe email was to the Stater for publication rather than using the university email system. Point to remember for employees who may want to express their opinions to the university community in the future without fear of dismmissal.

For the columnist: Natural law, eh. It's really no better source of argument than citing scripture for the basis of law. Sure we need some laws and/or rules and regulations to operate as a functionally viable society, but when it comes to sexual behavior (as well as various other areas of MORAL CODE) to base it on the "norm" of human behavior is to presuppose that anyone can really unequivocally state what NORMAL is! Humans are no more than animals with a somewhat more convoluted brain which allows them to do some stuff that is supposedly "better" than the other animals on the earth. Look around at the results of the human endeavor and tell me just how much "better" we have been for the earth than other animal species. We truly have removed ourselves from the actual "natural law" and decided we, as humans, are somehow better and more important than the rest of nature. Don't you just love the results of that?
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Mr. Jesse Merino

posted 11/24/08 @ 12:43 PM EST

You would think, that in Nature, if 'natural laws' would be a predicate to survival, that homosexuallity would not have survived at all!
Nature ensures that only the 'strong' will survive by disposing of the weak. No questions asked, they are simply killed so that the herd propogates and the strong enriches the gene pool.

We as humans keep our weak, and promote them as 'special' so that they are not killed. We keep those who are not of the 'norm', and we promote tolerance towards them all. If we were to act as Nature does, I'm afraid a good many of us wouldnt BE HERE, as those outside the 'norm' wouldnt be tolerated and destroyed for the betterment of the tribes. Even in early mankind, the women looked for the strongest men to marry or mate with so that they would have good strong children to bear.

I don't know why GOD puts homosexuals on Earth, (my guess is to see how we react to each of them when we come into contact with these individuals), but there must be a reason for eveyone and everything.

When they first started to "come out of the closet", as a child I wondered, (in my childish mind), why they had 'been' in the closet, and had to be explained what homosexuallity was and its ramifications and all the phobias that surround them. And in my innocence I asked "Whats so special about them that they need 'rights'"?! And, it was explained to me, that they, along with the black race were looked down upon and needed someone to be in thier corner in order to help them raise to thier potential.

Well, the black race is now on its 'feet' sort of speaking, having its first black President, (yes, I know, he is half white so a lot of people dont even accept him because of that, while others try to deny his white heritage), and are living the same as I am.

I went to school with both blacks and homosexuals. They were in the same classroom as I was in, studying the same books and it wasnt until later that I even knew I had a 'gay' person in my classroom! He acted 'normal' and everyone treated him as such. But, once Summer break came, he acted 'strange' and no one paid him any mind at all, but it always made me wonder, why he acted this way, and then acted a different way in school?

So, in my adult walk in life, I still meet all kinds of people and I treat eveyone the same because I want them to treat me the same. I still have black friends and though I dont know of any gay people around me, I would still treat him/her the same as I would anyone else.

Society, well, its always hard for them to accept anything that is not the 'norm', or when someone 'shoves' themselves in front of the line or 'comes out' like its something strange and they should have 'rights' other than we as normal people have, has always had problems with that.
As an 'old man', I take the more tolerant view that I can, (that my LORD in HIS WORD lets me do. I along with most of America are Christian, (I believe its 80% now), and go by the principles that we were taught, those being the Christian way. (Yes, I know that we have had our differences posted out front in the National News such as Ireland's fight between Catholics and Protestants, and its something that totally befuddles me to this day, why Christians would fight between themselves, it just doesnt make sense to me at all).
Anyways, this Country was founded so that all could come here and worship freely. But, it was founded by good Christians (read the Magna Carta, one of the most Christian Documents to date yet!), and now we try to turn our backs on everything that was taught to us. We throw away morality and bring in an 'anything goes' policy so that our Nation as a whole will deterriorate from the inside, and we, like Russia have to fail in, either this Century or the next one! I am so glad I wont be around to see when it happens...

Sorry about the long diatribe, but, since its Thanksgiving break, most of you probly wont see it anyways :)

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

May the LORD Bless each of us.

I wish you well...

Jesse Merino
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Robert Checkal

posted 11/30/08 @ 2:22 PM EST

Originally posted by

Mr. Jesse Merino

 You would think, that in Nature, if 'natural laws' would be a predicate to survival, that homosexuallity would not have survived at all!
Nature ensures that only the 'strong' will survive by disposing of the weak. No questions asked, they are simply killed so that the herd propogates and the strong enriches the gene pool.

We as humans keep our weak, and promote them as 'special' so that they are not killed. We keep those who are not of the 'norm', and we promote tolerance towards them all. If we were to act as Nature does, I'm afraid a good many of us wouldnt BE HERE, as those outside the 'norm' wouldnt be tolerated and destroyed for the betterment of the tribes. Even in early mankind, the women looked for the strongest men to marry or mate with so that they would have good strong children to bear.

I don't know why GOD puts homosexuals on Earth, (my guess is to see how we react to each of them when we come into contact with these individuals), but there must be a reason for eveyone and everything.

When they first started to "come out of the closet", as a child I wondered, (in my childish mind), why they had 'been' in the closet, and had to be explained what homosexuallity was and its ramifications and all the phobias that surround them. And in my innocence I asked "Whats so special about them that they need 'rights'"?! And, it was explained to me, that they, along with the black race were looked down upon and needed someone to be in thier corner in order to help them raise to thier potential.

Well, the black race is now on its 'feet' sort of speaking, having its first black President, (yes, I know, he is half white so a lot of people dont even accept him because of that, while others try to deny his white heritage), and are living the same as I am.

I went to school with both blacks and homosexuals. They were in the same classroom as I was in, studying the same books and it wasnt until later that I even knew I had a 'gay' person in my classroom! He acted 'normal' and everyone treated him as such. But, once Summer break came, he acted 'strange' and no one paid him any mind at all, but it always made me wonder, why he acted this way, and then acted a different way in school?

So, in my adult walk in life, I still meet all kinds of people and I treat eveyone the same because I want them to treat me the same. I still have black friends and though I dont know of any gay people around me, I would still treat him/her the same as I would anyone else.

Society, well, its always hard for them to accept anything that is not the 'norm', or when someone 'shoves' themselves in front of the line or 'comes out' like its something strange and they should have 'rights' other than we as normal people have, has always had problems with that.
As an 'old man', I take the more tolerant view that I can, (that my LORD in HIS WORD lets me do. I along with most of America are Christian, (I believe its 80% now), and go by the principles that we were taught, those being the Christian way. (Yes, I know that we have had our differences posted out front in the National News such as Ireland's fight between Catholics and Protestants, and its something that totally befuddles me to this day, why Christians would fight between themselves, it just doesnt make sense to me at all).
Anyways, this Country was founded so that all could come here and worship freely. But, it was founded by good Christians (read the Magna Carta, one of the most Christian Documents to date yet!), and now we try to turn our backs on everything that was taught to us. We throw away morality and bring in an 'anything goes' policy so that our Nation as a whole will deterriorate from the inside, and we, like Russia have to fail in, either this Century or the next one! I am so glad I wont be around to see when it happens...

Sorry about the long diatribe, but, since its Thanksgiving break, most of you probly wont see it anyways :)

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

May the LORD Bless each of us.

I wish you well...

Jesse Merino




Great! You don't leave your slanderous and discriminatory words simply for gay people but for black people too.

I happen to be gay, but that doesn't make me any less of a person. Nor does it make me a weak individual. I was not born with a genetic disorder or birth defect, I'm not mentally retarded nor am I contagious. Homosexuality is not my choice. I certainly wouldn't ever choose to have to deal with the ignorance of those around me, I certainly wouldn't ever choose to risk being beaten up every single day of my life just for being myself and I certainly wouldn't choose being denied rights alotted to my straight counterparts.

However, just as you've brought up the past, I'd love to bring up the past. Women may have chosen the strongest men as mates, but in Greek and Roman times, those same men also had sex with other men. See, it was a societal norm, therefore it wouldn't be considered weak and therefore wouldn't be removed from the "gene pool".

Regardless, homosexuality is not genetic. Two straight people who have no familial history of homosexuality mated and got a homosexual child - me. How'd that happen kiddo? Additionally, study after study is lacking the gene with which sexuality would be defined on... why?

We're not special, we're not above anyone else. But we're disregarded by people like you. You may "treat" everyone the same, but you certainly have a lot of opinions with which you use to look down on others. We DO NOT have the same rights as our straight counterparts and it's not fair. If everyone in this country was granted equal rights, we'd be able to marry who we wanted to, see our loved ones in the hospital, adopt kids into a loving and supportive home, have the equal opportunity at a job, etc. It doesn't seem we need a marriage amendment in your words, what we need to do is ratify the Fourteenth Amendment to say that everyone can have equal rights... except this group, that group and that group.

As far as your racist remarks, you're extremely ignorant if you feel that electing a black president puts black people "on their feet." Black people are still enduring so many forms of discrimination its sick. Electing a black president doesn't fix that in the least. It's going to take the strength of ignorant people such as yourself to really remove themselves from seeing color and to realize how little credit you give to those you feel are below you.

I'm sure you've never faced discrimination in your entire life, but I hope you know that you've hurt me and others like me by feeding into societal norms. Maybe the one the thing the Bible really shows me is that Jesus loved everyone. He didn't place himself above anyone else and he above anyone really had the capability to do so. Instead he hung out with lepers, hookers and women. He got to know people and he truly loved them for who they were. I would hope you'd take away the same thing I have from the Bible. Regardless of any societal norm that discriminates against certain people as a Christian you are to be "Christ-like". That's what Christianity is!!!

So be Christ-like and love me, the same way I love you - as a person. Regardless of a difference of opinion. You're in my heart as an equal, even though I blatantly disagree with your viewpoints.

Please don't claim that you're a Christian. You're not. Be a real Christian and stop spreading hate. Jesus never did that. You suck at being Christ-like.
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Tom

posted 12/01/08 @ 9:04 AM EST

How about you take the Constitution as your guideline instead of the Bible. Pretty sure the Bible doesn't hold much water in court, and I'm pretty sure it's why the Republicans are sagging these days. Not a sermon, just a thought!!!!!


Originally posted by

Mr. Jesse Merino

 You would think, that in Nature, if 'natural laws' would be a predicate to survival, that homosexuallity would not have survived at all!
Nature ensures that only the 'strong' will survive by disposing of the weak. No questions asked, they are simply killed so that the herd propogates and the strong enriches the gene pool.

We as humans keep our weak, and promote them as 'special' so that they are not killed. We keep those who are not of the 'norm', and we promote tolerance towards them all. If we were to act as Nature does, I'm afraid a good many of us wouldnt BE HERE, as those outside the 'norm' wouldnt be tolerated and destroyed for the betterment of the tribes. Even in early mankind, the women looked for the strongest men to marry or mate with so that they would have good strong children to bear.

I don't know why GOD puts homosexuals on Earth, (my guess is to see how we react to each of them when we come into contact with these individuals), but there must be a reason for eveyone and everything.

When they first started to "come out of the closet", as a child I wondered, (in my childish mind), why they had 'been' in the closet, and had to be explained what homosexuallity was and its ramifications and all the phobias that surround them. And in my innocence I asked "Whats so special about them that they need 'rights'"?! And, it was explained to me, that they, along with the black race were looked down upon and needed someone to be in thier corner in order to help them raise to thier potential.

Well, the black race is now on its 'feet' sort of speaking, having its first black President, (yes, I know, he is half white so a lot of people dont even accept him because of that, while others try to deny his white heritage), and are living the same as I am.

I went to school with both blacks and homosexuals. They were in the same classroom as I was in, studying the same books and it wasnt until later that I even knew I had a 'gay' person in my classroom! He acted 'normal' and everyone treated him as such. But, once Summer break came, he acted 'strange' and no one paid him any mind at all, but it always made me wonder, why he acted this way, and then acted a different way in school?

So, in my adult walk in life, I still meet all kinds of people and I treat eveyone the same because I want them to treat me the same. I still have black friends and though I dont know of any gay people around me, I would still treat him/her the same as I would anyone else.

Society, well, its always hard for them to accept anything that is not the 'norm', or when someone 'shoves' themselves in front of the line or 'comes out' like its something strange and they should have 'rights' other than we as normal people have, has always had problems with that.
As an 'old man', I take the more tolerant view that I can, (that my LORD in HIS WORD lets me do. I along with most of America are Christian, (I believe its 80% now), and go by the principles that we were taught, those being the Christian way. (Yes, I know that we have had our differences posted out front in the National News such as Ireland's fight between Catholics and Protestants, and its something that totally befuddles me to this day, why Christians would fight between themselves, it just doesnt make sense to me at all).
Anyways, this Country was founded so that all could come here and worship freely. But, it was founded by good Christians (read the Magna Carta, one of the most Christian Documents to date yet!), and now we try to turn our backs on everything that was taught to us. We throw away morality and bring in an 'anything goes' policy so that our Nation as a whole will deterriorate from the inside, and we, like Russia have to fail in, either this Century or the next one! I am so glad I wont be around to see when it happens...

Sorry about the long diatribe, but, since its Thanksgiving break, most of you probly wont see it anyways :)

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

May the LORD Bless each of us.

I wish you well...

Jesse Merino
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mkaps

posted 12/01/08 @ 8:59 PM EST

Christianity is a thing of the past. Honestly, if you think that the earth is only 3000 years old and that we didn't evolve from primates (despite the overwhelming evidence) then their is no hope for you. I use to respect religion when i was younger, but as im growing older, i see that it is one of the most oppressive institutions not only in america but in the entire world.
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tom

posted 12/03/08 @ 1:12 PM EST

What do you honestly think is going to happen if marriage isn't protected? I mean what are you seriously afraid of? Free will?
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