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Author recounts 'day in court' with Holocaust denier

Abstract:

David Irving filed a libel lawsuit against Deborah Lipstadt for naming him a Holocaust denier in her book, Denying the Holocaust.

Lipstadt recounted the case in another book, History on Trial: My Day in Court With a Holocaust Denier, which was the topic of her speech last night in the Rockwell Auditorium....

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Mr. Jesse Merino

posted 11/14/07 @ 4:14 PM EST

Its amazing! You have nuts all over the World who would deny that there is daylight when its not night!

Why someone would deny the obvious is beyond me. If you would go and see the millions of pictures, and look at the concentration camps and talk to the many people who survived the camps, "they" would tell you that there was a Holocaust!

No, you get people who have never been near a gas chamber, or even to Germany and just because they hate the Jewish People for this reason or that reason, and some imaginary reasons only known to themselves, they would smear them as Hitler tried to exterminate them.

Though, it wasnt only the Jewish people who were feeling the concentration camps, millions of others were decimated also in these camps, along with the Jewish people. Hitler knew no bounds when it came to his "sickness and hatred" towards all people.

Let them deny this or that, as those that deny that the twin towers fell from the planes that the terrorists flew into them, its all the same thing. You have "radical" minded people everywhere who cant be convinced that conspiracies dont exist around every corner and that thier Government is wrong or right, and they just dont believe history!

Sure, history is written by whom ever is victorious, and it will always be that way, from way back when to present time included. And there are those who have a problem with that, but, all they have to do, is "win" next time!

I wish you well...

Jesse Merino

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Tom Hartman

posted 11/15/07 @ 5:55 PM EST

David Irving has NEVER written about the holocaust, so he never has denied it. He was considered dangerous because he did original research that revealed occasional facts that contradicted conventional wisdom. Since historians such as Lipstadt could not refute the facts he set forth, they began a campaign to discredit him. With the term "holocaust denier" undefined, he undertook and ill-advised legal case against Lipstadt. In some 70,000 pages of Irving writings, the judge found just over a dozen "facts" with which he disagreed. Establishing a definition of "denier" that boggles the imagination, the judge ruled that Lipstadt had not libeled Irving when describing him as a denier. Hubris was the downfall of Irving, not historical fact. Lipstadt still refuses to discuss her disagreement with the facts. She sticks to name-calling, a debate tactic Irving uses in reply. Perhaps Kent State should invite Irving to speak to hear his side of the story. Students, at least the ones who do not try to prevent him from speaking, would find him quite informative and entertaining.

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Joseph

posted 11/16/07 @ 6:47 AM EST

Mr. Jesse Merino,

You can find on youtube clips of films by the US Army from Dachau, Bergen-Belsen, Ravensbrueck, etc... The camps located in the Third Reich proper liberated by US and British troops . You can even find a film by US Army personel at Dachau showing a "brausebad" (hot bath in German I believe)) and describing it as as gas chamber . I assume theat US Army personel was told this by the prisoners. In one film an American POW even mentions gas chambers. Now, Mr. Merino, in 1960 the Institute for Contemporary History in Munich and Yad Vashem announced- no gassings in Dachau , nor in any of the other camps located in Germany (Third Reich) proper . Do you what that means ? I will help you. It means that for fifteen years the unsuspecting public was lied to . Mr. Merino the lying was done by the eyewitnesses and propagated by official US Military media
newsreels. The same with the soap made of Jewish cadavers. LIE ! The same with the story of the lampshade made of human skins. LIE ! Now , Mr. Merino, since 1960 the "offical" holocaust story purports that the gas chambers were in the camps located in Poland i.e. Auschwitz,Treblinka, Majdanek, etc... Do yu know that executing one prisoner in a US penitentiary gas chamber is a rather complicated process requiring special equipment and procedures ? Zyklon-b is an insecticide developed in @ 1920 and widely used in Europe to fumigate barracks . In fact US customes imported Zyklon-b for the Mexican border because many Mexican migrant workers were in need of delousing before they could enter cross the southern border. Tell me something Mr. Merino, have you ever tried to visualize how hundreds if not thousands of prisoners could be asphyxiated by the use of an insecticide at one time ? Please try and then try to find the technical procedure which would be involved . Please remember that the German Nazis did not have a magic wand and they had to abide by the laws of physics and chemistry.

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Mr. Jesse Merino

posted 11/16/07 @ 8:04 AM EST

Please remember that the Germans were the first to use Chlorine Gas in the fox holes to "asphixiate" Soldiers from the "other side".

All they would have had to do, was to put a lot of people in a room, fill it with CL2 gas, and it would kill them in a manner of moments!

(Yes, I have been 'hit' with Chlorine Gas, and it "does" take your breath away, and the fact is, that my Assistant at the local Waste Water Treatment Plant in which I was a "turn Operator" was hit hard enough that he almost didnt survive! Just a few minutes contact with the gas, and it fills up the lungs, and "starves" our oxygen and paralyzes the mucus membranes, resulting in a quick death. Not a pleasant thing to go through.

I wish you well...

Jesse Merino

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Joseph

posted 11/16/07 @ 9:56 AM EST

Originally posted by
Mr. Jesse Merino
Please remember that the Germans were the first to use Chlorine Gas in the fox holes to "asphixiate" Soldiers from the "other side".

All they would have had to do, was to put a lot of people in a room, fill it with CL2 gas, and it would kill them in a manner of moments!

(Yes, I have been 'hit' with Chlorine Gas, and it "does" take your breath away, and the fact is, that my Assistant at the local Waste Water Treatment Plant in which I was a "turn Operator" was hit hard enough that he almost didnt survive! Just a few minutes contact with the gas, and it fills up the lungs, and "starves" our oxygen and paralyzes the mucus membranes, resulting in a quick death. Not a pleasant thing to go through.

I wish you well...

Jesse Merino

Mr. Merino,

The holocaust story is specific in that the empty containers of Zyklon-b found at the camps , which the Germans state was used to delouse clothing of lice, and the holocaust eyewitnesses claim was used to asphyxiate the Jewish prisoners. I must remind you that the Princeton historian Arno Mayer ( who is Jewish), in his book "Why did the Heavens not Darken" writes , ...sources for the study of the gas chambers are at once rare and unreliable... Degesche, the firm from Dessau, Germany which manufactured Zyklon-b probably has or had technical information from the testing of the product on lice and other insects since that was the purpose of the product. I would suggest to you that a more appropriate comparison would for someone locking himself in a closet and having someone spray a can of Raid thru a peephole.

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James Wilson

posted 11/16/07 @ 3:38 PM EST

Now it's "Even if he wasn't a denier" after years of "he's a denier." And isn't everyone happy that he was locked up, although of course, you say that free speech is precious, one of our most precious liberties, blah blah blah...

How anyone with an I.Q. over 90 could listen to, read, or believe, anything that Lipstadt says is beyond me. She's playing everyone for a sucker! Her and her powerful monied friends. Another ridiculous academic.

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B Bush

posted 11/17/07 @ 12:49 AM EST

Originally posted by
James Wilson
How anyone with an I.Q. over 90 could listen to, read, or believe, anything that Lipstadt says is beyond me. She's playing everyone for a sucker! Her and her powerful monied friends. Another ridiculous academic.

She's just protecting the business, that's all. When you see Germany paying pensions for hundreds of thousands of Israelis and donating (yes GIVING!) Israel Nuclear capable submarines, all of which since 1948 adds up $100 Billion and counting. Nobody likes having their money cut off and nobody likes being exposed as a liar. That's why in many European countries refusing to believe what Jews tell you, is a criminal offense.

How did that happen again..........?

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Tom Rafatwar

posted 11/20/07 @ 6:00 AM EST

David Irving has never written directly about the "Final Solution", he has never denied that Jews died in concentration camps. He has, on the other hand, provided a huge amount of primary historical documentation and allowed it to speak for itself. Lipstadt is a 'scholar' of another kind - she has gone on record stating that certain imposters who wrote moving (but entirely false) stories of experiences in concentration camps should not have been exposed because their lies 'served a greater good'. She is also aware that the official Holocaust archive of Israel recognises that 50+% of its 'eye-witness testimony' is fabricated - nobody in their right mind would suggest that this was done as part of a conspiracy - it happened for very human reasons...bereaved relatives and survivors of the concentration camp system wished to 'speak for the dead' - they also believed that they were 'serving a greater good'.

Irving has worked closely with Jewish colleagues, generously paid tribute to their expertise and repeatedly expressed tolerant and unbiased views about race and religion. He has never, unlike Lipstadt, suggested that anybody should be locked up for writing or speaking about their own personal convictions.

The poster who mentioned Dachau seems to unaware that all modern historians now accept that the camp was not an extermination centre. It is perfectly true that many people died there - as at other camps, around 60% of the fatalities were caused by typhus epidemics in the final 6 months of the war - epidemics which could not be stemmed because drugs and food supplies were systematically denied by Allied offensive measures.

Who is more obnoxious - an outspoken scholar who provides evidence and asks us to examine it with an open mind?...or a manipulator of facts who believes it is justified to force her views upon others through violent intimidation and coercion in the form of ruined careers and loss of liberty?

Before somebody suggests that I am some kind of Nazi-lover, I will add that I am a Jew - neither a zealot or a Holocaust denier - just a Jew who wishes to examine the basic facts and think for himself.

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Joseph

posted 11/20/07 @ 7:04 AM EST

Originally posted by
Tom Rafatwar
David Irving has never written directly about the "Final Solution", he has never denied that Jews died in concentration camps. He has, on the other hand, provided a huge amount of primary historical documentation and allowed it to speak for itself. Lipstadt is a 'scholar' of another kind - she has gone on record stating that certain imposters who wrote moving (but entirely false) stories of experiences in concentration camps should not have been exposed because their lies 'served a greater good'. She is also aware that the official Holocaust archive of Israel recognises that 50+% of its 'eye-witness testimony' is fabricated - nobody in their right mind would suggest that this was done as part of a conspiracy - it happened for very human reasons...bereaved relatives and survivors of the concentration camp system wished to 'speak for the dead' - they also believed that they were 'serving a greater good'.

Irving has worked closely with Jewish colleagues, generously paid tribute to their expertise and repeatedly expressed tolerant and unbiased views about race and religion. He has never, unlike Lipstadt, suggested that anybody should be locked up for writing or speaking about their own personal convictions.

The poster who mentioned Dachau seems to unaware that all modern historians now accept that the camp was not an extermination centre. It is perfectly true that many people died there - as at other camps, around 60% of the fatalities were caused by typhus epidemics in the final 6 months of the war - epidemics which could not be stemmed because drugs and food supplies were systematically denied by Allied offensive measures.

Who is more obnoxious - an outspoken scholar who provides evidence and asks us to examine it with an open mind?...or a manipulator of facts who believes it is justified to force her views upon others through violent intimidation and coercion in the form of ruined careers and loss of liberty?

Before somebody suggests that I am some kind of Nazi-lover, I will add that I am a Jew - neither a zealot or a Holocaust denier - just a Jew who wishes to examine the basic facts and think for himself.

Dear Tom,

In response to your post, I am aware that in 1960 in the face of the late
Prof. Paul Rassinier's writings debunking the gas chamber story in Buchenwald-Dora where he happened to be interned for the last 18 months of the war, Yad Vashem and the Institute for Contemporary History in Munich made their announcement concerning not only Dachau, but all the other camps that were located in Germany proper. My point was that it took 15 years after the war to determine that there were no gasssings in Dachau, Bergen-Belsen, Ravensbreuck, Mathausen, etc... Why did it take so long to determine this. There were eyewitness reports that there were gassings in these camps. I specifically pointed out the US Army film which even shows a "brausebad" and piping for water as someking of mechanism for carrying out executions by a lethal gas. Dear Tom, the same for the human soap story and the lampshade made of human skins. These were crude atrocity tales. The revisionist historians point out that there was no evidence of killing anyone by method of zyklon-b at any time.
They point out the physical and chemical impossiblities ! The whole gas chamebr story is made up and disseminated widely and constantly which has the masses confused like Mr. Merino . They have heard so many stories and seen so many films that they cannot discern I pointed out that for 15 years after the war the lies about gas chambers in Dachau kept circulating. In 1960 the attention shifted to Auschwitz and the the other camps located in Poland. You mention "modern historians". What kind of a historian would write that there were gas chamber in the camps located in Germany up until 1960 ? A clown or a liar who was repeated phony war atrocity stories. Tom, the US Army carried out investigations and Professor Arthur Butz points that out in his monumental work " The Hoax of the Twentieth Century."

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